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Can you all help clear something up for me. I picked up a Granada this weekend. It does not have a grille with it. When I looked up info on the Victor-Victrola site is says that the Granadas made in 1925 did not have "grille cloth". But I cannot find a picture of one without a grille. The horn is wooden with nice grain so I'm wondering if mine is supposed to have a grille with no cloth or nothing at all or grille and cloth. I'm perplexed!!!

I'm sure it would have had a wooden grill. It may not have had grill cloth if it had a wood grain horn.

Look around the edge of the horn. If it didn't have a grille in place, there should be no screw holes.

Also, as noted on http://www.victor-victrola.com/4-4.htm -- a serial number before 20500 would most likely not have been fitted with a grille.

Judging from the jointed tonearm, this looks to be an early Granada model, sans grille -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FabUFT0iKo

HTH,
OrthoFan

The serial number is 15820. That's why I was confused about the grille/cloth. I see on the Victor-Victrola page it says "grille cloth". Does that mean just the cloth or does that mean no grille either?

cweastlick wrote:Can you all help clear something up for me. I picked up a Granada this weekend. It does not have a grille with it. When I looked up info on the Victor-Victrola site is says that the Granadas made in 1925 did not have "grille cloth". But I cannot find a picture of one without a grille. The horn is wooden with nice grain so I'm wondering if mine is supposed to have a grille with no cloth or nothing at all or grille and cloth. I'm perplexed!!!

I can't speak for the Granada/4-4 but the early Consolette/4-3 did not have a grill at all. Perhaps that's true for the Granada as well?

cweastlick wrote:The serial number is 15820. That's why I was confused about the grille/cloth. I see on the Victor-Victrola page it says "grille cloth". Does that mean just the cloth or does that mean no grille either?

That would mean no grille/grille cloth.

In the early Orthophonic Victrola line, introduced in November, 1925, only the Credenza was fitted with a grille and grille cloth. The other members, the Consolette, the Colony and the Granada not only shared the same horn, but none were fitted with a grille.

Here's an early Colony sans grille:
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Don't think I've ever seen one without a grille or maybe I have and just thought the grille was missing. Learn something new every day.

phonogal wrote:Don't think I've ever seen one without a grille or maybe I have and just thought the grille was missing. Learn something new every day.

These were so early in the production that they rarely turn up. I've seen three or four Consolettes with the "exposed horn" and ten-inch turntable over the past 35 years, or so, but never a Colony or Granada.

There's no way to prove it, but I suspect Victor rushed like mad to ship the new Orthophonic models to their dealers to have something on the floor in time for the November 1925 launch, and that year's Christmas trade, cutting corners in the manufacturing process.

One nice thing about the early Orthophonic smaller models is that you're more likely to come across one equipped with the all-brass nickel plated sound box:
OrthoFan

Yep! That's what mine looks like in the picture above. Unfortunately it came with a pot metal reproducer. Thanks so much for all of the info and feedback!!

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