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Hello all,

I have been working my newest diaphragm into my acousticedison you tube page. In making them I usually test them to see how its going. I know this selection isn't everyone cup of tea, but in person the projection of the instrument and clarity of detail is giving a more impressive result using the new method. Plus I rather enjoy a concerto type of selections with the fine interaction of the artist.

A two clarinet duo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo6j9ScwXIY

The record sounds very clear, Larry, with no discernible coloration from the diaphragm. However, having already the first generation True Tone and the new Gilmore diamond styluses on my machines, I can state that they perform exceptionally well, and certainly a You Tube record would not allow to detect any subtle changes in an eventual comparison. Have you compared in person your new development with the first generation?

CarlosV wrote:The record sounds very clear, Larry, with no discernible coloration from the diaphragm. However, having already the first generation True Tone and the new Gilmore diamond styluses on my machines, I can state that they perform exceptionally well, and certainly a You Tube record would not allow to detect any subtle changes in an eventual comparison. Have you compared in person your new development with the first generation?

Carlos, Yes that is how I determine what the sound quality if. I play a previous diaphragm and then what ever the new variety might be. In this case the levels of sound and projection of the intruments as well as a bit more clarity to the overall sound made me realize I had a winner here sound wise. Not as you say that the old one wasn't a big improvement, it was. Steven Medved installed a copy I had sent him in a customers reproducer and here is the actual quote:

"I'm assuming this is the version Steve Medved used in my recently rebuilt nickel reproducer with the new Gilmore diamond? He told me that you had made a special diaphragm for him, specifically telling me in his email, "That was a special diaphragm that Larry did for me, I chose it for you because of that. It has more sensitivity than normal."

I can attest first hand to it's incredible volume and clarity! I auditioned it for George Paul and Nate Ostrye when they were here a little over a week ago. Amazing! Clear, distortion free increased volume, and extended dynamics on both ends of the spectrum. Very pleasing to our ears! Bravo!"

I am not including the customers name here but its copied from the email Steven sent me.

Larry

Well, since I’m too late for the Diamond Disc one. (Don’t get me wrong I really enjoy the one I got from you) When will they be available for the Diamond B and C?

AmberolaAndy wrote:Well, since I’m too late for the Diamond Disc one. When will they be available for the Diamond B and C?

Your by no means too late for the True Tone 2... I have only just recently started to make a few extras after having some sent out to varify my findings. .Sometimes when your doing something you don't always catch all the issues that may come along. I have been fooled a few times on hearing something and a short time later only to find something that didn't show it self at first.

Actually there is one on ebay at the moment should you be interested. I have a few others I can add before I would have to make more.

The cylinder versions I admit I haven't had time to get a few made.. I have had a lot of things going on between me and my mom recently and some outside things that have to be done before the weather completely goes south.

larryh wrote:

AmberolaAndy wrote:Well, since I’m too late for the Diamond Disc one. When will they be available for the Diamond B and C?

Your by no means too late for the True Tone 2... I have only just recently started to make a few extras after having some sent out to varify my findings. .Sometimes when your doing something you don't always catch all the issues that may come along. I have been fooled a few times on hearing something and a short time later only to find something that didn't show it self at first.

Actually there is one on ebay at the moment should you be interested. I have a few others I can add before I would have to make more.

The cylinder versions I admit I haven't had time to get a few made.. I have had a lot of things going on between me and my mom recently and some outside things that have to be done before the weather completely goes south.

It’s ok. I’m fine with the True Tone that’s on it currently. I don’t want to undo Mr Medved’s work. It’s still better than what I had before. But I’ll wait for the cylinder versions. I’m in no hurry. I’m sending Steve my Brunswick Panatrope soundbox that got damaged after owning it for 3 days. And after that, a Victor Orthophonic. It won’t be sometime early next year I’ll get my Diamond B and C done. Take your time Larry.

Andy,

The comments from a customer of Stevens is with the new #2 version. From what I remember he wrote and said it sounded "Fantastic" to him. So I would guess most of the future disc Edisons he does will use the upgraded version. The one you have is a perfectly acceptable sound level. But when I can achieve something better then I do so.

I will let you know when the cylinder version is available.

Larry

larryh wrote:Andy,

The comments from a customer of Stevens is with the new #2 version. From what I remember he wrote and said it sounded "Fantastic" to him. So I would guess most of the future disc Edisons he does will use the upgraded version. The one you have is a perfectly acceptable sound level. But when I can achieve something better then I do so.

I will let you know when the cylinder version is available.

Larry

Maybe when I get another DD player (most likely going to be something like a B80 or a B19 or the very unlikely chance I get an Army Navy machine since my folks aren’t keen on me getting another floor size model.) For my bedroom I’ll definitely get one.

Andy,

I see now what the issue is. The smaller models while nice can't develop the level of sound the larger machines with the 250 horn can. But when I started out this time with a return to Edisons I had a London upright which was fine until I heard a 150 horn and then moved to a 250 which made even larger sound. In fact in my humble opinion the standard machines with a 250 horn out play the Edisonic version that came last.

Sounds like your a possibly young collector so you have a lot of time to work your way up the sound ladder.

Larry

larryh wrote:Andy,

I see now what the issue is. The smaller models while nice can't develop the level of sound the larger machines with the 250 horn can. But when I started out this time with a return to Edisons I had a London upright which was fine until I heard a 150 horn and then moved to a 250 which made even larger sound. In fact in my humble opinion the standard machines with a 250 horn out play the Edisonic version that came last.

Sounds like your a possibly young collector so you have a lot of time to work your way up the sound ladder.

Larry

Ok. I gave in. I bought the True Tone #2 and I’m planning to put it in my other DD reproducer! This DD reproducer I don’t have to send to Steve since I had the diamond replaced on that one 2 years ago. So I’m pretty excited to hear it! It’s gonna sound way less muffled than that reproduction rice paper and cork one on it currently.