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I am new to collection cylinders. What do you guys know about this record?

The cylinder looks to be of recent manufacture (Maybe in the last 15-30 years). I wonder if it was someone who recorded on Miller Morris blanks or made their own. Is it a spiral core blank, ribbed core, or smooth bore record? I made some blanks that looked like this before 2010, which were smoothbore, though the box is definitely not mine.

Oh how neat! I'll post more picutres of it when I get it this weekend

That's something I've never seen before. I'm guessing it's a modern cylinder box though, simply because there's an Edison machine pictured.
I doubt back in the day, Edison would have let that happen.
Then again maybe it was a short lived company because upon release Edison sued??
Still, with no apparent company information such as an address etc, I'm leaning towards it being a modern fantasy label.

Now that might have something interesting on it!

Triumph records were made just before Miller Morris Blanks were available(1981). the box is nice to see, as this might be one company who made more records than boxes, my copy of "five foot two" came across the Atlantic in cardboard packing box and wrapped only in newspaper.
The core of mine is smooth with little evidence of reaming and I suspect he material is softened recycled black moulded cylinders but could be new wax material and certainly a newly moulded blank not a dictation machine blank cut down.
I can't lay my hands on the catalogue at the moment and I don't recall any other details if I find it I will see if I can post here.

Does any one own a PAYER record from the same period?
I have biggish catalogue for Payer but have never seen an actual record.

I have a Payer Catalog as well, from the late 1970s. Supposedly they were available in two and four-minute records. The person I got the catalog from, wrote some questions in it, as well, what are the materials, (wax or celluloid, and how durable they were.) They also had some fiberglass horns as well, like some other accessories. Rick Wilkins also made some cylinders many years ago. A pretty decent blank could be made by adding stearic acid to black wax, softening it, I have done this very thing before, also adding carbonate of soda, or hydrated aluminum as well. It is though the other ingredients in the Edison moulded cylinders that could cause wear. Ebonite, carnauba wax, pine tar, and copper powder were added to make them more durable, an Edison moulded cylinder has equal parts ceresine and carnauba wax (or ebonite in place of carnauba. 12.5% of each)

How neat! I’ll post better pictures when I get it this weekend

Hey guys,

Here are some pictures of the record. I haven't listened to it yet because I do not have a working 2 min machine. Maybe I will post a recording when I finish repairing my graphophone. It is a recording of the Charleston, the color of the wax is a dark brown. There was no lid on the box sadly

David

dzavracky wrote:Hey guys,

Here are some pictures of the record. I haven't listened to it yet because I do not have a working 2 min machine. Maybe I will post a recording when I finish repairing my graphophone. It is a recording of the Charleston, the color of the wax is a dark brown. There was no lid on the box sadly

David

Wow, what a cool piece of phonograph collector history!

Martin