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European Concert identification help

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:20 am
by MTPhono
I am trying to identify the maker of an apparently European Concert cylinder machine. I was told it is likely made by EWC in Germany but I have my doubts. There are NO markings of any kind. It doesn't appear there were ever any markings.

There is a standard and slip-on concert sized mandrel. I doubt that was original. There is no method of lowering the reproducer on the standard mandrel and I've never seen an adapter for this application.

There are 4 holes in the bedplate whose purpose is unknown. I would have assumed it was for a lid but on the left side of the bedplate there are two items that protrude past the holes. Could it be for a System Verite (sp?)?

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Re: European Concert identification help

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 3:33 am
by WDC
To me it does look very much like an Excelsior. One indicator is the Columbia compatible reproducer shaft and the shape feed screw assembly.
EWC machines were sold by many different dealers who may have acquired unbranded topworks. Excelsior phonographs appeared in a large scale of variety.

Re: European Concert identification help

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 5:56 am
by Starkton
I am not sure if this model is German at all, but the rounded forms of the plates which hold motor and gears (and which are more straight-forward on EWC machines) remind me to International Phonograph Co., Berlin, 1901-1902. The Columbia reproducer/ feed screw assembly is similar also.

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Re: European Concert identification help

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:10 pm
by MTPhono
WDC wrote:To me it does look very much like an Excelsior. One indicator is the Columbia compatible reproducer shaft and the shape feed screw assembly.
EWC machines were sold by many different dealers who may have acquired unbranded topworks. Excelsior phonographs appeared in a large scale of variety.
Thanks Norman. You are the second to mention EWC so maybe this is correct. Do you have any idea what the 4 holes are used for?

Re: European Concert identification help

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 3:22 pm
by Sidewinder

Thanks Norman. You are the second to mention EWC so maybe this is correct. Do you have any idea what the 4 holes are used for?
To attach it to a wooden base!

Re: European Concert identification help

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 5:38 pm
by MTPhono
Sidewinder wrote:
To attach it to a wooden base!
Great observation! I hadn't thought of a wooden connection. Now I'll have to find an appropriate wooden base. THANKS!