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A Berliner Toy Gramophone with the Crate and Records
Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2021 2:12 pm
by Garret
This item is featured in another thread, but I really think this Kammer & Reinhardt toy gramophone deserves more attention in the main forum. It even has the box and most of the records. Just - what a sight.
https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auct ... b900c878e3
Re: A Berliner Toy Gramophone with the Crate and Records
Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2021 2:34 pm
by gramophone78
Looks like it's getting a great deal of attention
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viewtopic.php?f=14&t=50771
Re: A Berliner Toy Gramophone with the Crate and Records
Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2021 3:54 pm
by edisonclassm
It'll be fun to see what the winning bid settles out at
Re: A Berliner Toy Gramophone with the Crate and Records
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:40 pm
by edisonclassm
Looking today, it's up over 15K US
Re: A Berliner Toy Gramophone with the Crate and Records
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:20 pm
by Phonolair
With a presale estimate of 500 - 1000 pounds the auctioneer must be happy as well as the consignor.
How about the added fees (commission, sales tax, value added tax) of 35.94%, you would think that has to figure into someone's bid.
Re: A Berliner Toy Gramophone with the Crate and Records
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:42 am
by edisonclassm
8200GBP plus the 35.94% equals over 15KUSD. It ends tomorrow so we'll see where it lands.
Re: A Berliner Toy Gramophone with the Crate and Records
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 7:48 am
by zonophpones7
Hammer was 29,000 BPS plus the VAT and Premium of 35.94% converts to $53,696!!!! The 18 five inch Berliner records certainly helped drive the price here. But I am impressed. It sold to someone in the room. Congrats to the new owner!
Re: A Berliner Toy Gramophone with the Crate and Records
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:04 am
by edisonclassm
Such an incredible rarity to have survived so intact! You won't see another one like that come up anytime soon.
Re: A Berliner Toy Gramophone with the Crate and Records
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:32 am
by Mlund2020
That was an incredibly rare time capsule from the dawn of gramophone history with this early K&R Berliner and records - still in the family of the original owners. Certainly this would be the centerpiece of any collection. A big congratulations to the winner. If you bid in person (from the floor or by phone) directly with the auction house as the winning bidder did, the buyer’s premium/ VAT was 25%. Making the final bid £36.25K or approx $49.3K. The auction house would not allow online bidding through their website for this auction.
Re: A Berliner Toy Gramophone with the Crate and Records
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:11 pm
by gramophone78
Mlund2020 wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:32 am
That was an incredibly rare time capsule from the dawn of gramophone history with this early K&R Berliner and records - still in the family of the original owners. Certainly this would be the centerpiece of any collection. A big congratulations to the winner. If you bid in person (from the floor or by phone) directly with the auction house as the winning bidder did, the buyer’s premium/ VAT was 25%. Making the final bid £36.25K or approx $49.3K. The auction house would not allow online bidding through their website for this auction.
Sorry to read you didn't get it either Mike. I too would have loved to of had that on display in my collection.
I find the two serial numbers on the two boxes very interesting. The one that recently sold here in the US
#7564 and this latest example
#5459. Both including 3 records (As stated on the labels).
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