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Dating HMV 102 Gramophone

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:50 am
by Carder
Hi, I am trying to find information on the dating of HMV gramophones. I understand the B dating system, but I have gramophone with a nine digit number. Can anyone help?

Re: Dating HMV 102 Gramophone

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:11 am
by epigramophone
The "B" prefix was introduced in 1936, so your 102 is earlier. Pictures would help to date it more precisely.

Re: Dating HMV 102 Gramophone

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:04 am
by Inigo
I always have the doubt... B introduced in 1936, but as a single B, or as B/1? B/1 means 1936... or 1937?

Re: Dating HMV 102 Gramophone

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 am
by epigramophone
B is 1936, B/1 is 1937, and so on.

Re: Dating HMV 102 Gramophone

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:13 pm
by GramophoneSmith
I agree with the info provided about B=1936 and B/1=1937 etc. Has anyone actually seen a plaque with just the B? I have seen a B/1.

Re: Dating HMV 102 Gramophone

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:40 pm
by Inigo
Mine is a B/9 10181, 1945. One of the lot commanded by the MOS with an attached metal plate with brief instructions.

Re: Dating HMV 102 Gramophone

Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 7:51 am
by Oedipus
If the 9-figure number starts with 102.... and is on a circular celluloid label, then the machine dates from 1931-34. If it is on a rectangular plate but without a B in front of it, it is 1935, but as far as I know, these are always 6-figure numbers. The 9-figures have 0's after the 102 on early examples, sometimes two 0's (or even more on very early ones), but by 1934 production had reached 100,000, so the '102' was followed by a '1' rather than a '0'.

Re: Dating HMV 102 Gramophone

Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:20 am
by Inigo
Nice to know, thanks for sharing. How does one know the quantities made each year?