Auction: Emile Berliner - 'Kammer & Rienhardt' - 1889-1893
Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:35 am
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Auction: Emile Berliner - 'Kammer & Rienhardt' - 1889-1893
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Re: Auction: Emile Berliner - 'Kammer & Rienhardt' - 1889-1893
Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:14 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a total reproduction?
Re: Auction: Emile Berliner - 'Kammer & Rienhardt' - 1889-1893
Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:14 pm
It does look like it's made up from old and new parts, eg, that koaky looking aluminum horn support.
Re: Auction: Emile Berliner - 'Kammer & Rienhardt' - 1889-1893
Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 5:20 pm
The description:JerryVan wrote: Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:14 pm Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a total reproduction?
"Emile Berliner - 'Kammer & Rienhardt' - 1889-1893 - Hand Cranked Gramophone:
Original Brass parts construction – Aluminium turntable with replaced green baize. Original record locking disc brass turned. Papier-mâché Horn, Reproducer with serial number authentic and of the period. Aluminium horn rest bracket and tracking arm are reproductions. Wooden base with bevelled sides believed to be authentic. The machine is sold with a Berliner 5in Disc (No 476) 'Piano Solo' - Bierwalzer.
42 x 18 x 24cm approximately"
It doesn't interest me but I thought it might interest some people on this forum. That 5" Berliner is a pretty neat little add-on, though...
Re: Auction: Emile Berliner - 'Kammer & Rienhardt' - 1889-1893
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:24 am
What the cataloguer doesn't say ( because he doesn't know, although he purports to know ! ) is that the sound -box is not original either. Ermmm , nor I suspect is the wooden base and other parts also which he believes to be genuine look rather suspect too 
He can't even spell the surname Reinhardt correctly .
He can't even spell the surname Reinhardt correctly .Re: Auction: Emile Berliner - 'Kammer & Rienhardt' - 1889-1893
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:08 am
Dulcetto wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:24 am What the cataloguer doesn't say ( because he doesn't know, although he purports to know ! ) is that the sound -box is not original either. Ermmm , neither I suspect is the wooden base nor other parts also which he believes to be genuine and look rather suspect too
Re: Auction: Emile Berliner - 'Kammer & Rienhardt' - 1889-1893
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:38 am
One of many machines and records from the Russell Barnes collection. Who was this collector? Does anyone know?
Re: Auction: Emile Berliner - 'Kammer & Rienhardt' - 1889-1893
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:45 am
I assume that nothing about this gramophone from the "Grammophon-Fabrik Kämmer, Reinhardt & Co. in Waltershausen" is original. Only the enclosed record, a somewhat later pressing from 1891-1895, is authentic.
Re: Auction: Emile Berliner - 'Kammer & Rienhardt' - 1889-1893
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:11 am
Yes, I tend to agree with you. The record is the best bit of the lot , although I suppose the gramophone would make a reasonably nice display piece , with a little bit of modification here and there , although not at its estimated price level !. DulcettoStarkton wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:45 am I assume that nothing about this gramophone from the "Grammophon-Fabrik Kämmer, Reinhardt & Co. in Waltershausen" is original. Only the enclosed record, a somewhat later pressing from 1891-1895, is authentic.
Re: Auction: Emile Berliner - 'Kammer & Rienhardt' - 1889-1893
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 12:44 pm
Sold for GBP 2,700 hammer , plus 30 percent buyer's premium. ( against the pre-sale estimate of 5000 -- 10,000 ) It was viewed pre-sale by an experienced pair of eyes who was firmly of the opinion that most of it was reproduction , including the baseboard , but the horn did appear to be a genuine old one. Many of the other lots in the sale also sold for far less than the ridiculously high pre-sale estimates. Personally , I think the auctioneers Sworders did themselves no favours in allowing someone with limited knowledge to compile the sale catalogue and come up with the pre-sale estimates. Shot themselves ( and the vendor ) in the foot really , but then I shouldn't complain , as some buyers scooped up stuff at very low prices , me being one of them ! ha ha ! DulcettoDulcetto wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:11 amYes, I tend to agree with you. The record is the best bit of the lot , although I suppose the gramophone would make a reasonably nice display piece , with a little bit of modification here and there , although not at its estimated price level !. DulcettoStarkton wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:45 am I assume that nothing about this gramophone from the "Grammophon-Fabrik Kämmer, Reinhardt & Co. in Waltershausen" is original. Only the enclosed record, a somewhat later pressing from 1891-1895, is authentic.