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Educate a Yankee on New Style #4 Gramos, Please
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:47 pm
by gramophone-georg
I am thinking that I would like to find one of these machines. Seems there are not many around as the technology seemed to be moving past this design already, but it's an oddball machine so, being an oddball myself, I am drawn to these.
Seems they have a 10" platter. Are they limited to 10", or can they play a 12"? What soundbox should these have? Exhibition? About what price range should be expected, and how best to find one?
Any and all info appreciated.
Thanks!
Re: Educate a Yankee on New Style #4 Gramos, Please
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:59 pm
by gramophone-georg
Re: Educate a Yankee on New Style #4 Gramos, Please
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:56 am
by Steve
Should have a Concert soundbox as pictured.
The motor is the same as the original "Trademark" gramophone but with an additional gear and the motor rotated through 45 degrees to utilise the 10" platter with corner winder.
I have one of these in a mahogany case which is quite rare.
Price? I'm not going to venture too far into that particular guessing game beyond saying don't be surprised to see immaculate examples fetching over £2000 whilst an average "as they come" example might struggle to maintain collector interest much above £800.
Re: Educate a Yankee on New Style #4 Gramos, Please
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:59 am
by epigramophone
An oak cased example with Concert soundbox, Lot 219 in the SAS sale on 22 February 2017, made £780 plus fees.
Re: Educate a Yankee on New Style #4 Gramos, Please
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:47 am
by Mlund2020
I love the European Gramophone 4 and 4a. The rotation of the trademark motor with enlarged case to cover the spring barrel along with the addition of 2 extra gears between the spring and the governor to allow the winding handle to be pushed back far enough to allow for a 10 inch turntable with play of a 10 inch record without need to remove the winding handle. It was a brilliant redesign of the trademark and makes for a nice looking machine.
Re: Educate a Yankee on New Style #4 Gramos, Please
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:41 pm
by gramophone-georg
Thanks for all the information. There's actually one on Etsy here in the USA right now, but price is USD $2600 and it has seen far better days.
Mlund, that's quite a collection of top winders! I really like the oak 4A with all the late improvements.
Here's one I have that's rather uncommon- seems to be a quasi version of a New Style 3 with a turntable brake like a Victor 1 or O in a red mahogany case. I believe it was German market only.
