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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404385077749 ... media=COPY

So it's a no. 34 motor version with single lid stay and the lid needs re-polishing, the tone-arm plating needs attention and it's missing the correct 5A soundbox but at least it's all a complete working example of a rare and desirable machine.

I'm surprised with offers accepted below 2K that this is still lingering on Ebay.

P.S. - I've edited my OP as my phone doesn't like the term "re-polishing" and insists on replacing it with the term "republishing" instead! I've had to log-in via PC to correct it when my phone isn't looking!

Steve wrote: Tue Jul 25, 2023 8:37 am https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404385077749 ... media=COPY

So it's a no. 34 motor version with single lid stay and the lid needs republishing, the tone-arm plating needs attention and the correct soundbox but at least its all a complete working example of a rare and desirable machine.

I'm surprised with offers accepted below 2K that this is still lingering.

The thing I like the most about this listing is the sellers name. It reminds me of those Carry On Films - ooh err missus

poodling around wrote: Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:15 am

Steve wrote: Tue Jul 25, 2023 8:37 am https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404385077749 ... media=COPY

So it's a no. 34 motor version with single lid stay and the lid needs republishing, the tone-arm plating needs attention and the correct soundbox but at least its all a complete working example of a rare and desirable machine.

I'm surprised with offers accepted below 2K that this is still lingering.

The thing I like the most about this listing is the sellers name. It reminds me of those Carry On Films - ooh err missus

Quite! I'm half expecting someone to chime in with "Oooh, that's a big one, you've got there!". After all, it's not everyday we're greeted with such a large instrument on fleabay.

Steve wrote: Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:41 am

poodling around wrote: Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:15 am

Steve wrote: Tue Jul 25, 2023 8:37 am https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404385077749 ... media=COPY

So it's a no. 34 motor version with single lid stay and the lid needs republishing, the tone-arm plating needs attention and the correct soundbox but at least its all a complete working example of a rare and desirable machine.

I'm surprised with offers accepted below 2K that this is still lingering.

The thing I like the most about this listing is the sellers name. It reminds me of those Carry On Films - ooh err missus

Quite! I'm half expecting someone to chime in with "Oooh, that's a big one, you've got there!". After all, it's not everyday we're greeted with such a large instrument on fleabay.

Steve,

Some of us hadn't seen this one yet.

Garret

If it were on this side of the pond I'd be interested. I am sorry I didn't bid higher on the 194 that was auctioned over here recently. It looks to me that the cabinet is in better shape than the tone arm. Maybe someone switched it recently.

I am not in the least surprised that this 193 is failing to sell. Look at this better one which sold on 13 October 2020.
I think it unlikely that values have doubled in the past three years.

https://auctions.specialauctionservices ... %2Fid%2F85

epigramophone wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 3:42 am I am not in the least surprised that this 193 is failing to sell. Look at this better one which sold on 13 October 2020.
I think it unlikely that values have doubled in the past three years.

https://auctions.specialauctionservices ... %2Fid%2F85

That was an incredibly cheaply 193 though, sold during C19 period of inactivity and hardly typical of where the true value lies. In fact it might even be the cheapest one sold in the past 40 years?

Steve wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:03 am

epigramophone wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 3:42 am I am not in the least surprised that this 193 is failing to sell. Look at this better one which sold on 13 October 2020.
I think it unlikely that values have doubled in the past three years.

https://auctions.specialauctionservices ... %2Fid%2F85

That was an incredibly cheaply 193 though, sold during C19 period of inactivity and hardly typical of where the true value lies. In fact it might even be the cheapest one sold in the past 40 years?

So what is the "true value"? Certainly nowhere near £2000 for the eBay example under discussion.
In addition to the faults which you have already mentioned, the listing states "Motor winds up and spins but will not play a record; requires attention or overhaul". The prospect of overhauling the No.34 motor will put many prospective bidders off.

epigramophone wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:09 am

Steve wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:03 am

epigramophone wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 3:42 am I am not in the least surprised that this 193 is failing to sell. Look at this better one which sold on 13 October 2020.
I think it unlikely that values have doubled in the past three years.

https://auctions.specialauctionservices ... %2Fid%2F85

That was an incredibly cheaply 193 though, sold during C19 period of inactivity and hardly typical of where the true value lies. In fact it might even be the cheapest one sold in the past 40 years?

So what is the "true value"? Certainly nowhere near £2000 for the eBay example under discussion.
In addition to the faults which you have already mentioned, the listing states "Motor winds up and spins but will not play a record; requires attention or overhaul". The prospect of overhauling the No.34 motor will put many prospective bidders off.

Well, for a start I'd say the one at SAS was worth around £2000-2500 and not the derisory £900 it sold for. I've seen 163's advertised (and on the continent, selling) for almost that, which is ridiculous. Back to the one on Ebay, it's got to be worth £1200-1500, surely? Given that the seller is accepting offers under £1995 I'm still surprised no one has managed to negotiate a keen price on it yet. I don't think the motor is the main issue though: the larger re-entrants have rarely found homes in the UK. It seems UK collectors in the main tend to prioritise smaller items in general and / or items that need a lot of restoration and can be bought inexpensively.

A well known dealer summarised it well, many many years. On the continent the major collectors are wealthy businessmen who can afford to indulge to buy the best items and usually display their collections in purpose built rooms. In the UK most collectors are retired and whilst perhaps financially "comfortable" are satisfied to have project machines that they can restore and tinker with in their sheds when their wives are out playing bingo! I knew of one such collector, now sadly no longer with us, whose wife would not even let him display any machines in the house so they were relegated to an under stairs cupboard.