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Hello, I am brand new to the forum but not to my Victor V with Oak Spear Tip horn. Problem is that the nickle elbow has separated from the wood and the horn now drops down and touches the platter. No idea what to do here. Looks like the elbow may have been glued years ago as well since I do see some heavy residue now that it comes off. Overall horn looks good and typical for it's age. Located in Central NJ and in need of some guidance please. Thanks in advance.

Jeff

Can you post some pictures of this? I'd be glad to help.

W

Try Don Gfell. I'm pretty sure he can help or direct you to some who can.

Retrograde wrote:Try Don Gfell. I'm pretty sure he can help or direct you to some who can.

I am in touch with Don and will see him at the Wayne show in April

How were the elbows attached originally?
I've read a few similar posts over the years, and the responce is often to send it away, but surely it's not something that requires secret magic and incantations from a professional to rectify.

There is a steel sleeve inside at the tip and it is tightly riveted to the outside nickel cap. The rivet also acts as a lug that fits into the bayonet slot cut into the horn elbow. Either the rivet has broken away from the wood tip (thus the glue) or there is an issue with the stud that locks into the elbow. The only other thing I can think of is that the opening on the elbow is larger than the horn cap causing it to droop.

On mine the head of the rivet has become mangled enough so as not to fit in the bayonet slot anymore. I've seen this often with other horns, and also where someone's done a bad-looking fix, drilling out the rivet and substituting a modern wood screw. That looks crummy, so until I opt for a correct repair I've used a scrap of neoprene gasket material to tighten the joint without doing further damage.
Bob

the problem with his wooden horn has nothing to do with the actual elbow, he just used the wrong term. it's the metal collar (that locks the horn into the elbow) that has come loose from the wood of the horn itself. he's trying to figure out how to best reattach that metal collar to the mounting tip of the horn.

brianu wrote:the problem with his wooden horn has nothing to do with the actual elbow, he just used the wrong term. it's the metal collar (that locks the horn into the elbow) that has come loose from the wood of the horn itself. he's trying to figure out how to best reattach that metal collar to the mounting tip of the horn.

It's really not that important that we use the correct terminology when communicating with one another on this forum, or to spell it right if we do use it. I've been assured of that.

JohnM wrote:

brianu wrote:the problem with his wooden horn has nothing to do with the actual elbow, he just used the wrong term. it's the metal collar (that locks the horn into the elbow) that has come loose from the wood of the horn itself. he's trying to figure out how to best reattach that metal collar to the mounting tip of the horn.

It's really not that important that we use the correct terminology when communicating with one another on this forum, or to spell it right if we do use it. I've been assured of that.

I agree. call whatever by whatever term you like, just don't necessarily expect people to know what you're talking about. I only wrote what I did because he was getting sidetracked suggestions about repairing the elbow - because he used the term elbow - despite that nothing is wrong with the actual elbow on his machine, that instead the problem is with that collar (or whatever you'd want to call it) that's attached to the horn and holds the horn in the elbow. I too was curious about the best way to fix such a problem because I've had wooden horns on which that collar was pretty loose and could easily be turned - his has come complete detached.