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It is claimed that this is a 1909 HMV "hornless" machine.

It does not seem to have a 1909 patina.

And the horn grill does not look 1909ish, either.

What, pray tell, is this machine?
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Fake imitation of the Pigmy? The hmv label is from the late forties the sooner...

Inigo wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:32 pm Fake imitation of the Pigmy? The hmv label is from the late forties the sooner...

Interesting. Thank you.

The horn grill looks real. But all the Pigmy models I can find are front winders, and this machine is not.

The unit as a whole looks sort of legitimate, apart from the additions of the grill and the HMV label. It does not look like a hack and chop Frankenphone.

I wonder what the machine was before it was dressed up as a Pigmy.

Also, as you can see... the brake and speed regulation handle seem much later.

It doesn't have the Pigmy Grand tone-arm or "quick release" back-bracket, designed to enable this part to be dismantled for transport. It would be interesting to see all sides of the cabinet though. Can you get any more pictures?

Steve wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 4:17 am Can you get any more pictures?

There are no more posted, but I have asked the seller if it would be possible to get additional pictures, ones of the sides, back, bottom, and inside if possible.

Whatever it may or may not be it looks real except perhaps for what looks like some sloppy cutting above the horn grill, but even this, if it is a Frankenphone modification, looks old.

Curious.

More pics:

Steve wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 4:17 am Can you get any more pictures?

Yes. I did. Any further thoughts on what the machine is?

In the photo of the back, something can be seen in the back wood board where the black throat is attached: the wood has been cut and the grain looks different, there is a noticeable division line at the left of the black throat.
I bet it's a later 1918-20 Victrola vi or similar which has been modified to look as the older Pigmy model.

Inigo wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:42 pm In the photo of the back, something can be seen in the back wood board where the black throat is attached: the wood has been cut and the grain looks different, there is a noticeable division line at the left of the black throat.
I bet it's a later 1918-20 Victrola vi or similar which has been modified to look as the older Pigmy model.

I noticed that too Inigo. Look also at the grill. A very irregular, amateur attempt!