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I recently added these two early G&T phonographs to the collection. I would like to know what models they are and if they have the correct parts on them. I believe the model with the hand drive motor should have a closed face reproducer. Is that correct? The hand driven model looks very much like the Victor Toy model but has a larger horn and a G&T concert reproducer. I would appreciate any advice and constructive comments. Thanks!!!!

What beauties. You are a lucky guy. Was going to suggest posting them in the Euro forum but I see you already did! Enjoy them.

I do not recall the Gramophone and Typewriter Company ever making phonographs?

I do not recall the Gramophone and Typewriter Company ever making phonographs?

Governor Flyball wrote: Sun Apr 06, 2025 12:55 am I do not recall the Gramophone and Typewriter Company ever making phonographs?

You can say that again.

Style No. 2 is the top hand driven one.

Style No. 3 is the bottom spring wound one.

The Concert or the Clarke Johnson soundbox is correct.

The photos are not really clear enough unfortunately to be able to determine any non original parts. They certainly appear to be right but only close in-person inspection will reveal a reproduction part. The CJ soundbox looks quite new, as does the leather elbow and retention clip.

The Style 2 has been completely reproduced in the 1980s so there are conceivably many "non original" examples out there with pre-rusted parts and faked "age" by now. I'm not suggesting yours is one of them, but just to put things into perspective. With that said, the Style No. 2 is certainly the one I'd be wanting to scrutinise most closely. I have some doubts about its age but as I said only close inspection will truly reveal whether its an original or not.

Where on earth did you find these? They are very rare in the UK, let alone anywhere else?

I have been asked for more pictures of the #2. The motor casting is original. A magnet sticks to it. The Clark Johnson reproducer was on the #3 and should be on the #2. It is a reproduction. An original is being sent. Not sure of the pencil mark of 1897 on the bottom. These didn't come out until 1901 I believe. Maybe a serial number? The leather elbow clamp is original on the #2.

The reproductions are also magnetic but your casting looks correct. A nice find!

Ken,
These are fantastic machines, CONGRATULATIONS from David & Lerria Rosamond, looking forward to seeing you in Schaumburg !

You finding all these great machines reminds me of Edison's saying, "opportunity is often missed because it comes in overalls and looks like work"

If there is anyone who represents hard work and not missing opportunities it must be you, so I'm sure there is a lot of hard work in finding all your great machines.

Congrats again,

David & Lerria

phonolady wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 10:57 am Ken,
These are fantastic machines, CONGRATULATIONS from David & Lerria Rosamond, looking forward to seeing you in Schaumburg !

You finding all these great machines reminds me of Edison's saying, "opportunity is often missed because it comes in overalls and looks like work"

If there is anyone who represents hard work and not missing opportunities it must be you, so I'm sure there is a lot of hard work in finding all your great machines.

Congrats again,

David & Lerria

I've always said that the hunt is half, or sometimes more, of the fun. I look forward to seeing you both at the show.
Ken Brekke