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Dual Horn Phono on eBay??
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 5:56 pm
by JerryVan
I am fairly certain this is a made-up thing, as in "fake". The reproducer is obviously made using two Victor Exhibition back plates, mounted face-to-face. The horns are for a cylinder machine and probably reproductions at that. However, the bidding is over $500. I would very very leery about this machine.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/365541769888?_ ... 1506.m1851
Re: Dual Horn Phono on eBay??
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:30 pm
by gramophone-georg
I stared at that several times and then nixed the idea. Too much there just does not add up. Bergman was a real company, but simply a dealer that seems to have had a relatively brief life in the mid 1920s, long after machines of this type were a "thing".
I think this is someone's fantasy build. Seems well done but certainly not an authentic machine, per se.
Re: Dual Horn Phono on eBay??
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:41 pm
by JerryVan
gramophone-georg wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:30 pm
I stared at that several times and then nixed the idea. Too much there just does not add up. Bergman was a real company, but simply a dealer that seems to have had a relatively brief life in the mid 1920s, long after machines of this type were a "thing".
I think this is someone's fantasy build. Seems well done but certainly not an authentic machine, per se.
Thanks Georg. I'm going to feel bad for the eventual buyer.
Re: Dual Horn Phono on eBay??
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 7:14 am
by Raphael
Jerry, I don’t think you need to feel bad for the buyer, it has value as a fantasy piece and if it brings joy to the new owner, that’s what is most important. I have several “fantasy” pieces in my collection, including the ersatz Edison coin-op that I just bought at Stanton’s. Having fun with an item sure beats out the uber-knowledgeable collector who is beside himself because he found a non-original part somewhere in the mechanism. Well, that’s my opinion, and I’m going to have my coffee now on my replica antique dining table, which I’ve never regretted buying 25 years ago. And, if I live long enough, it too will become an antique. But I doubt it.
Raphael
Re: Dual Horn Phono on eBay??
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:20 am
by JerryVan
Raphael wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 7:14 am
Jerry, I don’t think you need to feel bad for the buyer, it has value as a fantasy piece and if it brings joy to the new owner, that’s what is most important. I have several “fantasy” pieces in my collection, including the ersatz Edison coin-op that I just bought at Stanton’s. Having fun with an item sure beats out the uber-knowledgeable collector who is beside himself because he found a non-original part somewhere in the mechanism. Well, that’s my opinion, and I’m going to have my coffee now on my replica antique dining table, which I’ve never regretted buying 25 years ago. And, if I live long enough, it too will become an antique. But I doubt it.
Raphael
Raphael,
I agree completely, given the buyer has no illusions of originality. To their credit, the seller makes no such claims.
It was good speaking with you at the Gfell auction. Hope you did well there.
Re: Dual Horn Phono on eBay??
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:08 pm
by Hailey
Funny thing is...If this came up at a farm sale somewhere in the Midwest and the sale was widely advertised, every collector in 800 miles would be there and it would sell for as much as a car.
Re: Dual Horn Phono on eBay??
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:49 pm
by JerryVan
Hailey wrote: Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:08 pm
Funny thing is...If this came up at a farm sale somewhere in the Midwest and the sale was widely advertised, every collector in 800 miles would be there and it would sell for as much as a car.
I have my doubts about that.
Re: Dual Horn Phono on eBay??
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2025 2:15 pm
by Hailey
JerryVan wrote: Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:49 pm
Hailey wrote: Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:08 pm
Funny thing is...If this came up at a farm sale somewhere in the Midwest and the sale was widely advertised, every collector in 800 miles would be there and it would sell for as much as a car.
I have my doubts about that.
I've seen phono guys battle it out over Edison Standards and a rusted-out Victor III that has set out all night in the rain and bidding easily went to the stratosphere...
Believe me...it happens.
Re: Dual Horn Phono on eBay??
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2025 4:47 pm
by Sidewinder
Apart from the 2 reproduction cylinder phonograph horns, the biggest giveaway for me is the 1930's Miraphone (St Croix) motor
Re: Dual Horn Phono on eBay??
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2025 11:37 pm
by ChesterCheetah18
JerryVan wrote: Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:49 pm
Hailey wrote: Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:08 pm
Funny thing is...If this came up at a farm sale somewhere in the Midwest and the sale was widely advertised, every collector in 800 miles would be there and it would sell for as much as a car.
I have my doubts about that.
It does happen. I attended an auction several years ago that included an Edison Standard model D works in a model B case with a cygnet style horn made from a cut off Columbia oak horn mated to a radio horn neck (with A LOT of screws). It brought over $1000. There were also four or five boxes of 20-30 Gold Moulded cylinders, every one moldy, that brought $150+ each.
Steve