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Perfect Record Colour
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 5:18 pm
by MisterGramophone
I was looking through my records and I found a Perfect record. Why are they brown though instead of the typical black? Is this the forefather of those modern coloured vinyl records or something? Even weirder, I also have a black record by them.
Re: Perfect Record Colour
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:15 am
by Orchorsol
I always wondered about the reason for this colour with some labels, but I assume it was just a different shellac compound formulation (recipe) they switched to sometimes, perhaps due to temporary supply issues with ingredients, and these formulations just happen to exclude the carbon black.
Then very occasionally, presumably on changeover, you get the odd 'splatter' disc!
Carbon black is a structural filler as well as a pigment, yet I don't see any significant difference in wear characteristics, which interests me further.
Re: Perfect Record Colour
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 7:30 am
by epigramophone
The earliest Aeolian Vocalion discs were pressed in a similar reddish brown shellac. Needless to say, Vocalion claimed it to be superior to black, but they soon discontinued it in favour of black.
A more attractive colour was the dark blue used by American Odeon on discs which were said to be for export only, but this did not prevent US Columbia from taking legal action which forced them to cease production.
Blue reappeared in the 1930's on US Columbia's Royal Blue label, said to be pressed on a super fine grade of shellac.
Re: Perfect Record Colour
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 8:08 am
by MisterGramophone
epigramophone wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 7:30 am
The earliest Aeolian Vocalion discs were pressed in a similar reddish brown shellac. Needless to say, Vocalion claimed it to be superior to black, but they soon discontinued it in favour of black.
A more attractive colour was the dark blue used by American Odeon on discs which were said to be for export only, but this did not prevent US Columbia from taking legal action which forced them to cease production.
Blue reappeared in the 1930's on US Columbia's Royal Blue label, said to be pressed on a super fine grade of shellac.
“Superior to black” — Switches to black.
Re: Perfect Record Colour
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 8:53 am
by JerryVan
MisterGramophone wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 8:08 am
epigramophone wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 7:30 am
The earliest Aeolian Vocalion discs were pressed in a similar reddish brown shellac. Needless to say, Vocalion claimed it to be superior to black, but they soon discontinued it in favour of black.
A more attractive colour was the dark blue used by American Odeon on discs which were said to be for export only, but this did not prevent US Columbia from taking legal action which forced them to cease production.
Blue reappeared in the 1930's on US Columbia's Royal Blue label, said to be pressed on a super fine grade of shellac.
“Superior to black” — Switches to black. Also, casual 1900s racism it seems.
Oh, please...
Re: Perfect Record Colour
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:26 am
by edisonplayer
The first Perfect records were black.edisonplayer.
Re: Perfect Record Colour
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 10:27 am
by MisterGramophone
edisonplayer wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:26 am
The first Perfect records were black.edisonplayer.
When did they switch to brown to try to stand out or something?
Re: Perfect Record Colour
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 10:27 am
by MisterGramophone
JerryVan wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 8:53 am
MisterGramophone wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 8:08 am
epigramophone wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 7:30 am
The earliest Aeolian Vocalion discs were pressed in a similar reddish brown shellac. Needless to say, Vocalion claimed it to be superior to black, but they soon discontinued it in favour of black.
A more attractive colour was the dark blue used by American Odeon on discs which were said to be for export only, but this did not prevent US Columbia from taking legal action which forced them to cease production.
Blue reappeared in the 1930's on US Columbia's Royal Blue label, said to be pressed on a super fine grade of shellac.
“Superior to black” — Switches to black.
Oh, please...
Don’t feed the trolls
Re: Perfect Record Colour
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:33 pm
by ChesterCheetah18
The "red" records (as Vocalion called them) are simply the natural color of the shellac without any dye added. They are neither better or worse than any others. It was simply a marketing gimmic. "Splatter" records are also just a novelty, with small globs of differently dyed shellac mixed in.
Steve
Re: Perfect Record Colour
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 1:07 pm
by MisterGramophone
ChesterCheetah18 wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:33 pm
The "red" records (as Vocalion called them) are simply the natural color of the shellac without any dye added. They are neither better or worse than any others. It was simply a marketing gimmic. "Splatter" records are also just a novelty, with small globs of differently dyed shellac mixed in.
Steve
Sounds like classic early 1900s marketing. Today, if Dutton Vocalion tried marketing natural colour as “superior”, they’d be sued for false advertising.
Though the red records are pretty pretty.