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RARE A.I.C.C. CYLINDER - ENRICO CARUSO-for sale Euro 2,000 *

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2025 12:27 pm
by 75suonidelpassato
I am selling a VERY RARE cylinder from the ANGLO-ITALIAN COMMERCE COMPANY - Genoa - Milan -
of the tenor ENRICO CARUSO – 2 MINUTES -

Writings on the upper edge of the cylinder:
TENORE CAV. ( in italian cavaliere) ENRICO CARUSO
THE ITALIAN COMMERCE COMP' (sic!!) - without the word ANGLO... !!!
MILAN - GENOA
P.F. (Pathè Frères) 10201
(Pathè bought Anglo-Italian and distributed Caruso's cylinders)
84006
(in italian) Gli Ugonotti - QUI SOTTO IL CIEL DELLA TURRENA
THE HUGUONOTS - HERE UNDER THE SKY OF TURRENA

At the base of the hard cardboard cylindrical container:
(printed):
R. JAFORTE
VIA CHIAIA 31
NAPLES

(pencil):
(in italian) – Ugonotti – Qui sotto il ciel della Turenna ,,,(!!) - Tenore Caruso -
HUGUONOTS
HERE UNDER THE SKY OF TURENNA (sic!!)
TENOR CARUSO

The Jaforte store in Naples was an AICC dealer, as in newspaper advertisement from 1905-

Conditions as in photo, as found, mold on the base, on the upper end and some spots on the cylinder, structure in good condition, without cracks or scratches.

I am a restorer of phonographs and gramophones, a well-informed expert, and I have a substantial library on sound recording and reproduction, so I ask for the utmost seriousness, send serious offers ONLY IN EURO, advance payment with Paypal.

Shipping and collection at the buyer's expense by international couriers UPS - TNT - FEDEX with my careful packaging included.
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Re: RARE A.I.C.C. CYLINDER - ENRICO CARUSO

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2025 3:12 pm
by melvind
What are you asking for the record?

Re: RARE A.I.C.C. CYLINDER - ENRICO CARUSO

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2025 4:18 pm
by 75suonidelpassato
Hello, best offer, regards.

Re: RARE A.I.C.C. CYLINDER - ENRICO CARUSO

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 9:48 pm
by Curt A
This is not eBay or an auction site... "Best Offer" doesn't work.

Re: RARE A.I.C.C. CYLINDER - ENRICO CARUSO

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 3:40 pm
by gramophone-georg
Curt A wrote: Thu Jul 03, 2025 9:48 pm This is not eBay or an auction site... "Best Offer" doesn't work.
I don't care for it either, but sorry, yes it does work according to the rules:

"If you are accepting offers, you may use:
FOR SALE: Title of Object For Sale - INQUIRE"

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Re: RARE A.I.C.C. CYLINDER - ENRICO CARUSO

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 6:16 pm
by JerryVan
Georg,

I believe "Enquire" suggests that the seller has a set price in mind but wishes that it remain confidential between themselves and an interested party.

Re: RARE A.I.C.C. CYLINDER - ENRICO CARUSO

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 9:24 pm
by gramophone-georg
Hi Jerry:
I'm just quoting the rules. This is obviously a super rare piece. I already know I could not afford it (the fact that I decided to swear off cylinders years ago aside), but I think it's really cool to see super rarities like this offered here in any case. I hope someone here gets it! Seems a wonderful opportunity for the right collector.

Re: RARE A.I.C.C. CYLINDER - ENRICO CARUSO

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 8:41 am
by JerryVan
gramophone-georg wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 9:24 pm Hi Jerry:
I'm just quoting the rules. This is obviously a super rare piece. I already know I could not afford it (the fact that I decided to swear off cylinders years ago aside), but I think it's really cool to see super rarities like this offered here in any case. I hope someone here gets it! Seems a wonderful opportunity for the right collector.
Yup, no problem Georg. :) However it sells, it is certainly is fun to just see pictures of it. I'm sure the right collector will close the deal on it, regardless of sale terms.

Re: RARE A.I.C.C. CYLINDER - ENRICO CARUSO

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 4:25 pm
by KCW
Is this the same recording as the Pathé ones? I believe there were three Caruso Pathé cylinders. Is this a different recording? It is unique and interesting to see this one, although I have no idea what they might sell for. Some years ago I was able to get reproductions of the Pathé Caruso cylinders, although I don’t believe they’re made any more.

Re: RARE A.I.C.C. CYLINDER - ENRICO CARUSO

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 5:33 am
by CarlosV
KCW wrote: Sat Jul 05, 2025 4:25 pm Is this the same recording as the Pathé ones? I believe there were three Caruso Pathé cylinders. Is this a different recording? It is unique and interesting to see this one, although I have no idea what they might sell for. Some years ago I was able to get reproductions of the Pathé Caruso cylinders, although I don’t believe they’re made any more.
I have a Caruso Pathé etched-label center start record with the same piece in the photo of Il Ugonotti on one side, and E Lucevan le Estelle on the other. I read that both were transcribed from cylinders, and the short durations of both are consistent with them being 2-minute cylinder transcriptions. What is harder to figure out is if the record that served as source for the disc is the same record in the cylinder: artists used to record several takes, and the companies issued them as matrices wore out.