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Posted: **Mon Nov 10, 2025 10:32 am**

What is the number system for Diamond Discs with "Hot Jazz" music? Were they assigned their own number block or is it sporadic?

Posted: **Mon Nov 10, 2025 10:45 am**

I'm pretty sure the 5000 BA series is "hot jazz", I don't know about DDs.

Posted: **Mon Nov 10, 2025 11:16 am**

GroverOverton08 wrote: Mon Nov 10, 2025 10:32 am What is the number system for Diamond Discs with "Hot Jazz" music? Were they assigned their own number block or is it sporadic?

Any particular Diamond Disc titles you are looking for?

Posted: **Mon Nov 10, 2025 1:07 pm**

GroverOverton08 wrote: Mon Nov 10, 2025 10:32 am
What is the number system for Diamond Discs with "Hot Jazz" music? Were they assigned their own number block or is it sporadic?

The Fox Trot recordings on Edison DD and Blue Amberol that were (and remain) jazz or hot selections were not in any number block. They were mixed in with other types of recordings.

Doug

Posted: **Mon Nov 10, 2025 2:50 pm**

Precious # 51800-L by Markel's Orchestra. Hot Jazz numbers are in random locations.

Precious (2).mp3: (8.5 MiB) Downloaded 38 times

Marc

Posted: **Mon Nov 10, 2025 3:02 pm**

GroverOverton08 wrote: Mon Nov 10, 2025 10:32 am What is the number system for Diamond Discs with "Hot Jazz" music? Were they assigned their own number block or is it sporadic?

There was no jazz category, hot or otherwise, in Edison records or any other label at the time - there were labels dedicated to the afro American market, but these were mixes of different types of music. The Edison recordings that are considered hot jazz in today's criteria are all in the 50 000 series. There are records by the Memphis Five, Georgia Melodians, Phil Napoleon, Louisiana Five, Earl Fuller Jazz Band and others, spread over the production. Some dance band fox trots have hot solos.

Posted: **Mon Nov 10, 2025 3:35 pm**

CarlosV wrote: Mon Nov 10, 2025 3:02 pm
GroverOverton08 wrote: Mon Nov 10, 2025 10:32 am What is the number system for Diamond Discs with "Hot Jazz" music? Were they assigned their own number block or is it sporadic?
There was no jazz category, hot or otherwise, in Edison records or any other label at the time - there were labels dedicated to the afro American market, but these were mixes of different types of music. The Edison recordings that are considered hot jazz in today's criteria are all in the 50 000 series. There are records by the Memphis Five, Georgia Melodians, Phil Napoleon, Louisiana Five, Earl Fuller Jazz Band and others, spread over the production. Some dance band fox trots have hot solos.

51204-L ! The Great White Way Blues - Foxtrot (Napoleon, Signorelli) Original Memphis Five (i5-jazz)
51204-R ! Shufflin' Mose - Foxtrot (Lottman, Signorelli, Napoleon) Original Memphis Five (i5-jazz)

If information like this is useful, I can share the spreadsheet. Unfortunately, not a disc I've found so far.

Posted: **Mon Nov 10, 2025 8:59 pm**

Edison absolutely HATED jazz (and blues) music, but some records that would be considered “hot” did make it into the catalogs. Consequently, there was no number block for “hot” (or “race”) records. They were just interspersed in the popular numbering block (50000). In my experience the best of these can be found in the mid-51000-52000 range.

Steve

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