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Interesting, if only semi-literate! A fairly strong price - as mentioned in a recent thread, I treasure mine.

To me the price isn't especially strong for a 4-spring motored, large saxophone horned gramophone with gilt fittings but I accept the number of collectors who buy anything in a cabinet is extremely limited. I had to pay a lot more than this for my 201, although admittedly much rarer beast. I'd plan to open a dedicated cabinet gramophone museum but I'm sure the visitors would be non-existent.

Has your 192 got the older style twin lid-stays like this one, Andy? I've never seen one that I can recall. They are fabulous machines anyway, I certainly agree. I used to own the blue chinoiserie lacquered 162 that did the rounds about 20 years ago. Sadly, I sold it before realising that the original matching blue winding handle and once-thought-missing gilt no. 4 soundbox (the whole of the inside was gilded unusually for a 162) had been wrapped in a rag and stuffed down inside the horn. I wondered why it was a little quiet in performance but dutifully purchased another gold no. 4 soundbox for it without knowing the original was stuck down in there!

It took the buyer, who was somewhat notorious amongst UK collectors, and infamous around these parts, to discover the whereabouts of the parts by his usual abrasive and clumsy handling of the cabinet. When turned upside down and shaken vigorously, these long trapped parts can work their way out.

The auctioneers here are indeed illiterate. There is no excuse for their laziness when the word "gramophone" is even spelt correctly on the darn machine. As for the rest of their gibberish nonsense, the less said the better!

Steve wrote: Fri Mar 27, 2026 5:20 am Has your 192 got the older style twin lid-stays like this one, Andy? I've never seen one that I can recall.

Yes it has Steve. Were there any other differences with early ones? Currently it has rather a lot of things perched on top, but there are some views of it on my YouTube channel. Heavens, I wonder where that blue Chinoiserie 192 is now!

Orchorsol wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2026 9:02 am

Steve wrote: Fri Mar 27, 2026 5:20 am Has your 192 got the older style twin lid-stays like this one, Andy? I've never seen one that I can recall.

Yes it has Steve. Were there any other differences with early ones? Currently it has rather a lot of things perched on top, but there are some views of it on my YouTube channel. Heavens, I wonder where that blue Chinoiserie 192 is now!

162!