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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyUtXAzpKz8[/youtube]

and then I noticed this one:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-hgf5HH3pw[/youtube]

How many can spot what's wrong.....

I give the guy credit for trying to be clever, but he could have at least used an age-appropriate 78 for a prop instead of a 40s Capitol.

Sean

What the heck is that noise when he winds it up?!?

Sounds like a dubb job to me. There is a lot of surface noise on the lead in then quiet during the song. The surface noise returns on the end of the record. The volume is much louder on the lead in and run off. Just my guess.

Major_Dundee wrote:Sounds like a dubb job to me.

Yup.

The Capitol 78 on the turntable postdates those tunes by 20-30 or so years.

Ergo: fake. The originals acoustic and pre-date the Capitol by around 30 years. The first video is a complete give-away because there is no surface noise whatsoever.

If you look carefully at the start of the first video, you'll hear the recording start to play while the needle is still in the lead-in groove--a split second before it jumps.

Too bad he didn't just play the record that was on the turntable. Some Capitol records sound very good on a Consolette.

DS

David, this reminds me of a personal anecdote.
I had an HMV 101 and I found a Capitol of Frank S singing South Of The Border. It was so loud that I could literally see the needle cutting into the record like a lathe. The rebuilt soundbox didn't blast, but it was incredibly loud.
My HMV table model produced enough volume to fill a 30 by 50 feet room with around 70 persons.
Apart from that I've made a lot of new friends, with whom I can share.

syncopeter wrote:David, this reminds me of a personal anecdote.
I had an HMV 101 and I found a Capitol of Frank S singing South Of The Border. It was so loud that I could literally see the needle cutting into the record like a lathe. The rebuilt soundbox didn't blast, but it was incredibly loud.
My HMV table model produced enough volume to fill a 30 by 50 feet room with around 70 persons.
Apart from that I've made a lot of new friends, with whom I can share.

I used to have that record! Unfortunately, it was one the the causalities of the Loma Prieta earthquake.

When I play my late 1940s "big band" era 78s on my Orthophonic era phonos, I always use a soft tone needle; otherwise the volume hurts my ears. The Capitol records, especially, are notoriously loud. I'm not sure if it's due to the amplitude of the cut, or their greater range. (I know that the recording industry in the US switched over to tape master recordings around this period -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reel-to-re ... _recording )

DS

David Spanovich wrote:

syncopeter wrote:Capitol records, amplitude of the cut, or their greater range.

I think it's the amplitude (on the 1950's records) You can tell even on a modern setup, they tend to be hot cuttings, and sometimes even a little overcut. But even at that they sound great on things like Les Paul records. I believe Capitol was among the earliest to start recording onto tape in '49, with one of the early Ampex studio models, the ATR 102, I think.