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Hi

Anyone bid on the auction in Germany? we had a go at 8 gramophone lots. The prices were extreme on some items and just expensive on others. Mahogany Opera got 6500.00 Euros and it was nothing special, the lid was oak and very wrong, and not to mention add another 27% in fees and taxes.

My girl wanted the Buddha gramophone, we don't believe it was an original anything, but she thought it was nice, it got 4800.00 Euros, mate that would come to about $10,000.00 by the time it hit my door step. We did buy a nice clock with musical metal discs, wasn't cheap but we sat through the entire auction and weren't going home empty handed.

Check it out Auction Team Breker Koln Germany, If I ever decide to sell anything they get the job

Cheers Marcel

Would it be possible to re-post the image as a jpg or jpeg file? For some reason, it doesn't appear on my screen. All I see is the placeholder:

I'm not getting any notification from Firefox that a plug-in is needed to view a TIFF file, so it might be a problem with Windows 7. (I've only had this new PC for about a month now, and am still on a learning curve, coming from XP.)

Also, could you provide a link to the auction you mentioned?

DS

Hi

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/catalog/ ... mata/page1

I used capture on my mac to get this picture, I was unable to copy as a JPEG. If you go to the address above and select page 12

Check out lot number 667 page 13, Euros 15,000.00 for a 1080 wurlitzer, man, my collection just went up in value!!!

Regards Marcel

Hi Marcel:

Many thanks. I guess these must be the photos:
Odd that an Apple doesn't allow you to do a "save as" when you do a screen capture. I'm using the Snipping Tool that comes with Windows 7, and it's a lot easier than using the old print-scrn button, then pasting it into MS Paint, then cropping it, then saving it....

In any event, thanks also for the link. Some beautiful and rare machines.

DS

I watched the Breker Auction as well hoping to add a nice European machine or two to my collection. But with conversion to the Euro, the fees and shipping the prices were not worth the effort.

Good to know that the European economy is doing better than portrayed in the news.

Bruce

Hi

We were phone bidding as well as live internet bidding. We were on the phone for quite a long time, the person taking our phone bids also agreed that the prices were very very high, he was also giving us information on each machine as it came up, very helpful. We also discovered even though the items we bought are leaving the country we still have to pay the sales tax and will have to pay again when the items arrive in Australia.

Just got the invoice for an item my girl bought, the bid was €600.00 the invoice is for €760.65 now thats a great commission. Now we are waiting on the freight bill.

Regards Marcel

Hi Marcel

Glad you won something there!

Overall, the prices were quite strong but if you look back historically at the prices that saleroom has fetched (I have records of their sales going back to 1989), it wasn't all THAT good. They usually do fetch top-of-the-market prices for everything.

For me personally there were two surprises. The HMV cabinet model Lumiere went very cheap considering they are quite rare and the last one in the UK made over £4000! What is happening when an expensive saleroom struggles to get 1600 Euros for one? Was it damaged?

The other surprise was the Berliner Model A made for Deutsche Grammophon - basically a 'Trademark' machine in very nice original condition sans the leather elbow - 1600 Euros!

The latter price just proves that two dealers flogging similar machines currently, one 'testing the water' in the UK, the other on the Euro continent via Ebay, are out of touch with current prices and demand.

It appears that buyers at that auction want only the ESOTERIC items - repro Paillard hot air gramophone, anyone? - other stuff is toom ordinary to be of interest. It makes me wonder when I see people buying cabinet machines. Will there be any buyers for them in another 10-15 years?

Hopefully this post isn't contraversial enough to be removed by the moderators!

Steve

thanks for posting the info on this auction. I have looked at the catalog and the prices and am somewhat bewildered on the cylinder / disc phono items as there were some fantasy items that fetched good prices

edison standard with back bracket and rams horn horns ?
HMV base with a violin stuck on

and a few others - maybe the budda as well

was anyone at the sale who can give a better impression of the items?

I was shocked at some of the prices realized. After the dust settled but without shipping the repro Paillard hot-air sold for approx. $9500.00USD!!! . That's crazy for a IMHO poor copy at best.