Victrola I-70 in Witchita CL - Never Seen One Like This

[Phonofreak]

Actually, I really like that Victrola. To me, it was a nice example of folk art. It looks like it was done maybe 80+ years ago. Back in the teens- twenties, there was a movement to paint your old fashioned oak, mahogany, walnut, etc to make it look new. If this machine were in my area, I would have bought it. Just a thought.
Harvey Kravitz

[Henry]

(ALERT: severe topic creep! Proceed at your own risk!)

Tino, as Frank has pointed out, Pennsylvania Dutch = Deutsch (also spelled and pronounced "Deitsch" in the dialect) = German, not Holland Dutch, of which latter there were very very few settlers in this part of Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania Dutch refers collectively to the early German, Austrian, and Swiss immigrants to our area. They were mostly of peasant stock and were farmers here; many of their descendants still farm this fertile land. Since they came from a wide area of German-speaking lands, they brought with them their various regional dialects of spoken German, together with their traditions and folkways. In former times not so long ago, you could hear "the dialect" being spoken at the farmers' market in Allentown, and there used to be radio phone-in talk shows in the dialect. Lots of place names here reflect this heritage.

Benjamin Franklin thought that the German-speaking immigrants were undesirables, because they spoke their own language and were clannish. I guess even he could be misguided, at times. In fact, German-speaking peoples constituted the second most numerous immigrants to America, after the various peoples from the British Isles (incl. Ireland). My own ancestry traces back to German and Austrian roots.

BTW, the Pennsylvania Dutch dialect was not originally a written language---many of its speakers were illiterate---which is one reason why the language looks so peculiar when it is spelled like it sounds in English, especially to one who has studied Hochdeutsch (High German, the language of the educated class), which is the version taught in our schools. If you know High German, you can squint at the Pa. Dutch dialect as written and make sense of it, usually. Also, some forms of the dialect are mutually intelligible to Yiddish speakers, which makes sense because there are a great many words of German origin in Yiddish ("Jüdisch" in German).

[miker2001]

The move towards restoration to original condition seems relatively recent. Interiors of homes were remodeled or modernized for years. (Trim stripped of ornamentation, painted over, baseboards removed, etc.) The homes that weren't remodeled was probably due to lack of funds rather than appreciating the original design.

I think this phono is rather nice. I have seen ALOT worse. They should have left the inside alone, but they did not butcher it.

I have attached a couple examples of the usual fare. Both are on CL right now in the Seattle area.

[De Soto Frank]

The move towards restoration to original condition seems relatively recent. Interiors of homes were remodeled or modernized for years. (Trim stripped of ornamentation, painted over, baseboards removed, etc.) The homes that weren't remodeled was probably due to lack of funds rather than appreciating the original design.

I think this phono is rather nice. I have seen ALOT worse. They should have left the inside alone, but they did not butcher it.

I have attached a couple examples of the usual fare. Both are on CL right now in the Seattle area.

Wow - the very rare Brunswick Console Sideboard Hutch !

[tinovanderzwan]

Tino,

Thank you for all the wonderful examples of the various folk-art styles from NW Europe.


I hope my comments did not offend you with regard to the "Dutch" comments.

Here in Eastern Pennsylvania, there settled in the 17th & 18th Centuries, German religious sects, primarily the Amish.

They have been known affectionately ( or not so much ) as the "Pennsylvania Dutch", very likely an "English" corruption of "Deutsch".


The third image in your post, with the yellow back-ground, most-resembles the art-work that most Americans recognize as "Pennsylvania Dutch"...


Henry & I were indulging in some "vaudeville" style clowning-about regarding the German-American culture here in Eastern Pennsylvania.





Best regards,

De Soto Frank

that makes sense the 3rd one is bavarian german the bavarians went all over the world they had something everybody wanted........BEER!!!

the word dutch for the language of holland is also a coruption of the word deutsch
i come from leiden in holland quite a number of the pilgrim fathers came from my town
every day when i go to work i pass the william brewster alley...go figure that!!

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and a friend of mine lives above the leiden pilgrimfathers musem he restored the property to 17th century standards he owns the whole corner and has a little antique shop around the corner of the musem i bought quite a number of phono's there and that brings me full circle

tino

[De Soto Frank]

Tino,

Some of my Huguenot ancestors spent some time in Amsterdam, on their travels ( flight from religious persecution ? ) from eastern France to the New World.


I believe it was my ancestors Daniel Maupin and his wife Marie --(?)-- who were recorded as being married in Amsterdam in 1685, and shortly thereafter, sailing for Jamestown and Williamsburg, in the Virginia Colony.


During a summer band tour of western Europe when I was in High-School, we stayed a few days in Gouda, with a very lovely Dutch family.


Best,

Frank

[tinovanderzwan]

frank you should come to leiden some time i'll give you a tour of our historic spots and the pilgrim museum

tino

[De Soto Frank]

I would enjoy that !

I will definitely reach-out to you when my travels are taking me to Holland !

[CDBPDX]

I like the painted I-70. I'd jump on it if I could jump that far...

I am also really enjoying the info being shared in this thread! Thanks!

I'm thinking this is probably Swedish.

Cliff

[De Soto Frank]

After noodling around a bit on the Interweb, it does appear that there was an influx of German / German-American farmers homesteading in Kansas during the decades following the Civil War... (machine is listed on Wichita, KS Craigs-list)



The design on the Victrola initially reminded me of the graphics on a package of Muller's egg-noodles.