Columbia Acess. Does Anyone know what this is?

[Talkophone]

Must be for a Columbia? I think I know but just making sure. Any help would be appreciated. 1 ¾" tall.

Larry

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[Phonolair]

It's for a front mount Harvard. Originally there would have been a 90 degree rubber elbow attached to it and the reproducer. Harvard horns and the horn ends differ slightly from Columbia. They do not have the raised alignment bump opposite the small locking screw.

Best Regards, Larry

[Talkophone]

Larry,

Thank You and I think you are right. The guy I bought it from said that it was for a Harvard machine but I thought it was for something else.

Larry

[Phonofreak]

Actually, What this was used for, was an adapter to convert a front mount Columbia horn to be used on a cylinder machine. I have all of the Harvard machines and the typical brass elbow fits on all of the horns. Whoever adapted these to the horn would tie a string with a loop to attach to the crane. A similar adapter was used on a Victor threaded front mount horn to be used on a cylinder machine. I have one of each. They are very interesting adapters.
Harvey Kravitz

[Phonolair]

Actually, What this was used for, was an adapter to convert a front mount Columbia horn to be used on a cylinder machine. Harvey Kravitz

Gotta respectively disagree with you on this one Harvey. This is indeed an original horn connector (missing the 90 degree rubber elbow) for a front mount Harvard machine. A original Harvard horn does not have a raised locating hump on it making it different from a Columbia horn that has a raised locating hump.

A Columbia brass elbow with the raised locating hump will fit a Harvard horn just fine. But a Harvard horn connector would need to be forced onto a Columbia horn because of the raised locating hump.

The aftermarket horn end nipple to allow you to use a front mount Columbia or Victor horn on a cylinder machine are similar but different. The aftermarket horn nipple is more narrow at the end than this Harvard connector. The rubber hose connecting the reproducer fits over the nipple end not inside of it as this Harvard connector is designed for.

Best Regards, Larry

[Jerry B.]

What a nice way to disagree or have a different opinion. Nobody takes it personally and the discussion continues. This is the way we should all treat each other and I'm glad we generally treat others with respect on the Forum. Jerry Blais

[Phonofreak]

Hi Larry, Thanks for the info. What does this rubber elbow look like? I never seen or heard of this before. Did all Harvard machines have this type of fitting? All of the Harvards that I have have the regular fitting. Even on my elusive Harvard 4-A with the long narrow horn and mission style case. I know Columbia didn't have the consistency as Victor or Edison, so is this rubber elbow connection a variation of Columbia client machine?
Harvey Kravitz

[Pathe Logical]

Well Larry and Harvey, I've got to throw in my two cents worth regarding the presence of a raised alignment/locating bump opposite the small locking screw on Harvard elbows and the associated bump on the horn end.

The front-mount Harvard phonograph pictured below is 100% original, other than the reproducer gaskets and the horn cradle rubber which I installed when I cleaned up this machine. I obtained this Harvard from a local antiques dealer who bought it completely "farm fresh" from the family of the original owners. As far as I know, this horn style was only used on some Harvards, and the raised alignment/locating bump on the elbow-end of the horn can plainly be seen in the first photo. This horn is pictured on some Harvards in early Sears catalogs. From what I know, I think some Harvard horns have the raised alignment bump --- perhaps others do not.

I would like to see photos of a part like that pictured in the first post of this thread used with the 90 degree rubber elbow which has been discussed. A picture is worth a thousand words...

Respectfully submitted by an owner of two Harvard phonographs --- not a Harvard expert,
Bob

[Phonolair]

Well Larry and Harvey, I've got to throw in my two cents worth regarding the presence of a raised alignment/locating bump opposite the small locking screw on Harvard elbows and the associated bump on the horn end.

The front-mount Harvard phonograph pictured below is 100% original, other than the reproducer gaskets and the horn cradle rubber which I installed when I cleaned up this machine. I obtained this Harvard from a local antiques dealer who bought it completely "farm fresh" from the family of the original owners. As far as I know, this horn style was only used on some Harvards, and the raised alignment/locating bump on the elbow-end of the horn can plainly be seen in the first photo. This horn is pictured on some Harvards in early Sears catalogs. From what I know, I think some Harvard horns have the raised alignment bump --- perhaps others do not.

I would like to see photos of a part like that pictured in the first post of this thread used with the 90 degree rubber elbow which has been discussed. A picture is worth a thousand words...

Respectfully submitted by an owner of two Harvard phonographs --- not a Harvard expert,
Bob

Good information Bob and I agree it looks like an original Harvard horn on your very nice Harvard machine.

As Harvey said it could just be the inconsistency of Columbia or maybe its a time period thing. I wish I had a Harvard connector with the elbow but have seen precious few in all my years of collecting with only tattered rubber bits left. I like Harvey use regular Columbia brass elbows on my Harvards.

The Harvard connector that this thread is about I have only seen on brass bell Harvard front mount machines.

The mission style Harvard is also one of my favorite machines. The brass bell horn on this Harvard does not have a raised locating hump for the elbow.(note there is a Columbia elbow being used now)

NO ELBOW LOCATING HUMP

NO LOCATING HUMP ON THIS HORN

Hopefully some other members can add some incite or more information.
Best Regards, Larry

[Phonofreak]

This thread is really getting interesting. All of my Harvard machines have the raised nub on the end of the horn. The horn on my Mission Harvard is having the bell polished and straightened out. Once I get my horn back, I will check the end. Bob, That's a nice Harvard FH. I have that machine, also. There is another version of that machine with the black & brass witches hat horn. I have reproduction and original Sears catalogs. That's how I learned about Harvards. If you can get the Sears Collectible `1905-1910 reproduction catalog, it shows the various Columbia, Harvard & Oxford machines. It's a good one to get in your library. The 10" Harvard records are pretty scarce. The reason I go after the Harvard machines is because I really like the looks of them, and it is a vanity thing. As you know, my name is Harvey, so I guess Harvards are named after me!
Harvey Kravitz