photo request - Edison recorder closeup ?

[n2wheelies]

Hello Members, does anyone have a good closeup of an Edison recorder they could share?

I may try to build some cutter stylus's if there an interest. Rods are available, was thinking of 3D printing the support portion.

[edisonphonoworks]

They are a sapphire rod 41 thousandths in diameter, with a cup in the center, and the outer edge razor sharp, Make them a little long, you can then not lose them as easily. Rich Goodin, and I had some made several years ago, a run of 100 cutters, they are the good ones That Steve Medved, and others have used to repair orignal Edison, and others use to make master cylinder records. The company that made them, actually made more than we ordered, and perhaps has thousands of them, but it would take a lot of interested parties, as the minimum order is twice what is was back in 2001 to purchase more of them. Beings we had duplicates made, we technically have a common law patent on the Edison Cup point center, so if you are going to make them, you had better ask for permission. Just like a certain someone is using my 2010 blank label on there recording blanks, some things tick me off! Just because you have more clout or money you can just us the stuff without permission. (The person using the label now lives in my state and I am considering a suit against them.)

[phonogfp]

Beings we had duplicates made, we technically have a common law patent on the Edison Cup point center, so if you are going to make them, you had better ask for permission.

A "common law patent?" ...And on technology over a century old?

There are common law trademarks, but as far as I know, one still must file in order to obtain a U.S. patent. And the 17-year term, plus Prior Use would certainly come into play on this technology. How else could fellows like Ron Sitko reproduce the parts we all need?

George P.

[n2wheelies]

They are a sapphire rod 41 thousandths in diameter, with a cup in the center, and the outer edge razor sharp, Make them a little long, you can then not lose them as easily. Rich Goodin, and I had some made several years ago, a run of 100 cutters, they are the good ones That Steve Medved, and others have used to repair orignal Edison, and others use to make master cylinder records. The company that made them, actually made more than we ordered, and perhaps has thousands of them, but it would take a lot of interested parties, as the minimum order is twice what is was back in 2001 to purchase more of them. Beings we had duplicates made, we technically have a common law patent on the Edison Cup point center, so if you are going to make them, you had better ask for permission. Just like a certain someone is using my 2010 blank label on there recording blanks, some things tick me off! Just because you have more clout or money you can just us the stuff without permission. (The person using the label now lives in my state and I am considering a suit against them.)

thanks for the reply shawn. im surprised when i post on this forum and no one replies with 40 views. Im a mod on a mc forum and if someone new says hello its a dog pile.

i can easily source the sapphire from my ir buddies. google me on patents, ir... I think a few people would like these and i just happened to get a half of a recorder from AUS super cheap, sans diaphragm and cutter. and im a little bored...

hope to meet you someday soon... festival.

[n2wheelies]

Beings we had duplicates made, we technically have a common law patent on the Edison Cup point center, so if you are going to make them, you had better ask for permission.

A "common law patent?" ...And on technology over a century old?

There are common law trademarks, but as far as I know, one still must file in order to obtain a U.S. patent. And the 17-year term, plus Prior Use would certainly come into play on this technology. How else could fellows like Ron Sitko reproduce the parts we all need?

George P.

+1

:thumbup

[edisonphonoworks]

Common law trademark rights are limited to the geographic area in which the mark is used. Thus, if a coffee blend is sold under the name "Fresh Cat Coffee" in California only, the trademark rights to that name exist only in California. If another coffee retailer begins to market a different blend in New York under the same name (assuming they had no knowledge of the California company), then there would be no trademark infringement. However, if the New York company attempted to sell their coffee blend nation-wide, they would discover that the California company's common law rights to the mark would prevent them from entering the California market. Edison Blank label, for instance or North American Phonograph Company name used in various forms since 1995. Actually established in business commerce in New York, Illinois,New Jersey, Nashville T.N. and California, and sold worldwide, thus because active use entitles me to a common law trade mark, in all the states they have been sold in. Common law rights arise naturally in both copyright and trademark. Copyrights are self-executing: in other words, the creator of an “original work of authorship” automatically has a common law copyright upon creation of the work. Similarly, Federal registration is not required to establish rights in a trademark. Common law rights arise from actual use of a mark and may allow the common law user to successfully challenge a registration or application. A trademark owner is entitled to exclusive use of a mark (so long as it is not descriptive, generic, or otherwise disqualified from protection under trademark law) in the particular geographic area and in connection with the particular goods or services, beginning on the date on which it is first used.
For instance I made an announcement in the local Bureau County Republican News paper, that the RIAA was violating paragraph 10 of the sub company lease clause of the North American Phonograph Company. Because it was announced that they were suspected of piracy and not challenged in 30 days. Well here is the announcement, and was not challenged in years. http://www.bcrnews.com/articles/2005/01 ... etter1.txt


I do know who you people think you are!

[phonogfp]

I do know who you people think you are!

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I believe the subject was "common law patents" related to the reproduction of Edison-style cutting styli.

To discourage others from reproducing century-old technology, and to demand that they ask your permission to do so based upon your claimed "common law patent" will require a bit more explanation for those of us who are ignorant of that law.

On a different subject, if someone is plagiarizing your intellectual property (record box label), you have every right to be upset. That is a copyright/trademark issue, and I'm familiar with such violations, having been victimized on several occasions myself. That was not the subject of my original post.

George P.

[phonogfp]

Hello Members, does anyone have a good closeup of an Edison recorder they could share?

I may try to build some cutter stylus's if there an interest. Rods are available, was thinking of 3D printing the support portion.

There is a fully-illustrated article on Edison Recorders by Steve Medved in the June 2015 issue of The Antique Phonograph. The photos show the various holders used over the years.

http://www.antiquephono.org/join-us/

George P.

[n2wheelies]

Hello Members, does anyone have a good closeup of an Edison recorder they could share?

I may try to build some cutter stylus's if there an interest. Rods are available, was thinking of 3D printing the support portion.

There is a fully-illustrated article on Edison Recorders by Steve Medved in the June 2015 issue of The Antique Phonograph. The photos show the various holders used over the years.

http://www.antiquephono.org/join-us/

George P.

Thanks George. I am a member, I ask if I could get a digital copy from APS.