Need Help Identifying Victor 3 Spring Motor

[mattrx]

Recently, I picked up this Victor 3 spring motor thinking it was a 3 spring motor for machines such as a VTLA, etc. After closer inspection, it is not the same as the motor in my VTLA, but similar. The crank shaft is on the opposite side from my VTLA motor and appears to be a direct wind motor instead of indirect like the VTLA motor. Victor Data Book says that the VTLA/XVI's never had a direct wind motor (and neither did a Vic VI which I know shared a motor with the VTLA at one time).

Now, I have an early VV-XVI Serial # 73720 E (model just after the L-doors). The motor in my XVI is identical to the one I picked up. Here is my question: Does anyone know how long this particular style of motor was used and on what models? My VTLA and my early Queen Anne XIV both have the earlier style 3 spring motor. The pictures below are of the motor in question, and the last one is how it is situated in the XVI-note the speed control on the left rear instead of the right front.


As always, any and all help is appreciated.

Matt

[gramophone78]

This may be of help. Harold put a lot of time and work into this ID article. Here is link from the APS site:

http://www.antiquephono.org/victorvictr ... ld-braker/

[mattrx]

That is an excellent article! Thank You!

From what I can see, there is a mention of a 3 spring motor where the springs attach directly to the winding shaft at about the time of my XVI. It also appears to say that this motor was shared with the Vic V and VI of the same period (Figure 8-4 and related paragraph), but seems a bit "fuzzy" as tpo whether this is actually so. Further reading indicates a short production run of this motor.

Has anyone seen this motor in anything other than a VV-XVI?

[Phonofreak]

This was used in the VV-VXI and the VV-VIV from about 1912-13. When you look at these machines, the crank was in a forward position.
Harvey Kravitz