Edison Horns coating composition

[patrick-l]

Hello everyone

Can anyone tell me the coating (paint) composition from Edison Phonographe Horn ? (for example a cygnet horn)

Thank you for your help / answers.

Patrick


Best wishes for a Merry Christmas and a happy, prosperous New Year from France.....

Sorry, I speak very bad English

[Curt A]

Japan black paint...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_black

[patrick-l]

A big Thank You, Curt.

Can you say that this is the right formulation fur the Edison Horns /iE cygnet horn ?

Japan black consists mostly of an asphaltic base dissolved in naphtha or turpentine, sometimes with other varnish ingredients, such as linseed oil. It is applied directly to metal parts, and then baked at about 200°C (400°F) for up to an hour.[2]

[Curt A]

A big Thank You, Curt.

Can you say that this is the right formulation fur the Edison Horns /iE cygnet horn ?

Japan black consists mostly of an asphaltic base dissolved in naphtha or turpentine, sometimes with other varnish ingredients, such as linseed oil. It is applied directly to metal parts, and then baked at about 200°C (400°F) for up to an hour.[2]

Patrick,
I don't know what you are referring to in your above reference, but as far as I know the black japan paint is lacquer based as mentioned in the Wikipedia article. "Japan black (also called simply japan) is a lacquer or varnish suitable for many substrates but known especially for its use on iron and steel." If you are repainting a horn, use modern black lacquer and don't try to mix your own...

Hope this translation makes sense:
Je ne sais pas ce que vous faites allusion dans votre référence ci-dessus, mais pour autant que je sais que la peinture japon noir est laque à base tel que mentionné dans l'article de Wikipedia. "Le Japon noire (également appelé simplement Japon) est une laque ou vernis adapté à de nombreux substrats, mais surtout connu pour son utilisation sur le fer et l'acier." Si vous êtes repeindre une corne, utiliser laque noire moderne et ne pas essayer de mélanger votre propre ...

Joyeux Noël et Bonne Année de la Caroline du Nord ...

[patrick-l]

Dear Carl,

A very big thank you for your reply .... and for your translation. I am ashamed, my English is really pitiful. Fortunately, Google is my friend.

Your most important quote is this: "If you are repainting a horn, use modern black lacquer and do not try to mix your own ...". You are quite right, lol.

Do you know where to find this modern black lacquer, and how should I do to repaint a Edison phonograph (plate & horn)? Are there any small explanatory videos on this?

Carl, it's really a great honor and a real pleasure to meet you.
A big hello from Colmar, Alsace, France.

Patrick
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[Curt A]

Patrick,

It's a small world. I have been to Colmar several times. We stayed in Obernai several times and visited the Bugatti Museum in Mulhouse and Haut Koenigsbourg. My ancestors are from Alsace and I have a cousin in Aschbach north of Strasbourg. We visited Alsace last May. It is one of my favorite areas of France.

Le monde est petit. Je suis allé à Colmar à plusieurs reprises. Nous étions dans Obernai plusieurs fois et visité le Musée Bugatti à Mulhouse et dans le Haut Koenigsbourg. Mes ancêtres sont d'Alsace et je avoir un cousin à Aschbach au nord de Strasbourg. Nous avons visité l'Alsace en mai dernier. Il est l'un de mes domaines de prédilection de la France.

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Curt

[Curt A]

If you plan to repaint the bedplate of your machine, you need to test paint it to see if it is compatible with modern paint. Otherwise, you will need to use paint stripper to remove the old paint - the horn should be fine.

Si vous prévoyez de repeindre la plaque d'assise de votre machine, vous devez tester le peindre pour voir si elle est compatible avec la peinture moderne. Sinon, vous aurez besoin d'utiliser décapant pour enlever la vieille peinture - la corne doit être fine.

[Curt A]

In the US, black lacquer is readily available at automotive supply stores or WalMart. Rustoleum is a major paint brand in the US and has black lacquer...

Aux États-Unis, laque noire est facilement disponible dans les magasins de fournitures automobiles ou WalMart. Rustoleum est une marque de peinture majeure aux États-Unis et a laque noire ...
http://www.rustoleumspraypaint.fr

[patrick-l]

Dear Curt,

Forgive me for being late (Christmas Days more a health problem).
Your mastery of the French language is very good, bravo.

I am pleased to meet an "old fellow". Many of our Alsatian ancestors emigrated from Alsace to the United States. Some genealogists believe that the Alsatian emigration to the USA was more than 500,000 people between the seventeenth and twentieth century.

Have you build your family tree, Curt? I can perhaps help you if this is not the case.

PS) A report that the dialect and some customs (eating habits for example) managed to survive. In Castroville, Texas, many descendants of Alsatians who today have over 70 years still speak the Alsatian dialect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castroville,_Texas

There, it’s not a Bugatti museum, but a Bugatti foundation in Molsheim (museum of la Chartreuse) http://www.ot-molsheim-mutzig.com/pdf/m ... treuse.pdf .
I think you must be confused with the National Automobile Museum in Mulhouse - National Museum - Collection Schlumpf in Mulhouse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cit%C3%A9_de_l'Automobile .

This museum is the largest automotive museum in the world, with 510 vehicles including 469 cars from 98 brands.

And it indeed shelters the most largest Bugatti’s collection in the world with 124 vehicles, including two of the six famous Bugatti Royale (including the Coupé Napoléon). I visited it eighteen times since it opened to the public on March 7th 1977 by the dismissed workers of the textile empire from the Schlumpf brothers.

Let us return to our main topic of restoring an Edison Cygnet horn.

A very big thank you for your invaluable information, Curt. I hope they will also be very helpful to other readers of this valuable internet forum.

I intend to soon acquire a Cygnet horn to an Edison phonograph. According to the description which was made me, this horn is rusty on more than 85 % of its surface.

Thanks to your invaluable advice I could clean and repaint him.

As soon as it will be made, I would want to make it paint floral patterns. On the Web, we find some beautiful examples. Do you know which type of painting the artists-painters of the nineteenth century did they use?

Differently say, how to proceed today to restore (to repaint) a cygnet horn by applying it floral motives?

Dear Curt, i wish you an exccellent Sunday to you and to your family,

Friendly
Patrick

[Curt A]

"I think you must be confused with the National Automobile Museum in Mulhouse - National Museum - Collection Schlumpf in Mulhouse."

Yes, you are correct...
Oui tu as raison...

"Have you build your family tree, Curt? I can perhaps help you if this is not the case."

Thank you for your offer. We have gone back as far as possible in Alsace to the 30 Years War and before that, no records exist...
Merci pour votre offre. Nous sommes allés aussi loin que possible en Alsace à la guerre de 30 ans et avant cela, l'inexistence du dossier ...

"Let us return to our main topic of restoring an Edison Cygnet horn."

All original Edison Cygnet Horns that I am aware of were painted black, inside and outside. The pictures you show are mostly Edison Morning Glory Horns that are funnel shaped. The floral painted cygnet horns that are pictured are not original (in my opinion) and were painted by a later owner. I believe the method is a folk art style similar to Rosemåling. There was at one time a collector couple in Ohio who did excellent replica painting, but they have since stopped.

So, if you want an authentic look to your cygnet horn, paint it black and obtain new decals for it from Gregg Cline.

http://phonodecal.com/decals/scripts/main1.php

Tous originale Edison Cygnet Horns que je suis conscient de ont été peint en noir, intérieur et extérieur. Les photos que vous montrez sont principalement Edison Gloire de matin Horns qui sont en forme d'entonnoir. Les cornes floraux de Cygnet peintes qui sont représentés ne sont pas d'origine (à mon avis) et ont été peintes par un propriétaire plus tard. Je crois que la méthode est un style folklorique d'art similaire à Rosemaling. Il était à la fois un couple de collectionneurs dans l'Ohio qui a fait une excellente peinture de réplique, mais ils ont depuis cessé.

Donc, si vous voulez un look authentique à votre corne de cygne, le peindre en noir et obtenir de nouvelles décalcomanies pour elle de Gregg Cline.

I hope this helps...
J'espère que cela aide...

Curt