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[fran604g]

Hi Fran----It could be worth checking this company for the wood composition ornaments. They have been in business over 100 years, and still have a vault of the molds used to cast many of the "compo" decorations used years ago by the phonograph and furniture manufacturers. They have a web site, but their extensive paper-backed catalog illustrates most---if not all---of their inventory, as I understand it all can be made to order.

http://www.decoratorssupply.com/store/m ... rBody&c=CR

Glad this Edison is safe from the dumpster for now.

Kirk

Thank you!

Well, fortunately, because of the vitriolic, prejudiced, condescending, and abrasive comments of the OP, this conversation developed into a source for the missing pieces I need for a restoration.

Now, I am all too aware of the inability, unwillingness, or outright ignorance of some who refuse to, or are incapable of, reading and understanding a simple statement, but Mr. Edisone, thank you for your nasty email. Maybe you should take the time to read my reply above a few more times until you comprehend what I am saying.

At any rate, thanks to a wonderful Talking Machine Forum member (who shall remain nameless) for offering to me some cabinet components, including the two door panel cloth and parts that I need. This is the forum at it's best, in contrast to what developed when it was learned that I saved this 1-C from certain doom.

After I learn how to deal with the horribly abused finish of MY new-to-me 1-C Long Playing Console, I will commence to putting her right.

However, I'm not quite sure how to get rid of the horrible mold stench that permeates the entire cabinet wood.

When I am finished I will possibly consider posting pictures for the world to enjoy.

Fran

[pughphonos]

I seem to have stepped into something without knowing all the details. I've taken a week to mull this over.

First off, Edisone and Fran are two folks I admire big-time on this forum. They both have passion for the hobby, and neither one of them is motivated by profit. Both of them have contributed more to the Edison phonograph hobby than I could ever hope to do.

I agree with Edisone in his caution about changing Edison machines. "Caution" is the key word. For I also agree with Fran that it is perfectly fine to remove a Long Play mechanism from one machine and place it on another as that does not destroy the viability of the "donor" machine. The donor machine can be upgraded again in future, if desired. I have done the same. My Long Play gearing (on my Schubert serial no. 3621) came off of an LP machine that George Vollema had in storage. I reported that fact to Fran some months ago so that he could have a record of the LP machine (I provided its serial number--which I had solicited from George) that I assume is still with George.

It's like donating/receiving a kidney--after it's been determined that the donor can survive on the remaining one!

If you end up "consuming" a machine, we should adopt the ethical hunting culture. "Consume what you kill." Utilize all you can; don't waste. THEN seek to transfer/sell the "donor" cabinet with its remaining contents as intact as possible...or hold on to it for future restoration.

These part exchanges/transfers should in response to specific needs and/or as bilateral exchanges, by/for hobbyists who are doing restorations. Always seek to ADD VALUE, not extract it. If you leave one machine "a little less," only do so it you are enhancing another a LOT more--as opposed to totally eliminating one from the face of the earth. This distinction isn't rocket science.

What I DO object to is businessmen who do not have the hobby at heart; who break apart viable machines and sell the fragments down to the ID plates! Why on earth would one want to buy an ID plate that has no functional value anymore? All it was meant to do was identify a particular cabinet--and now that cabinet is no more.

I have no problem with PART EXCHANGES when done by restorations/hobbyists. I have a big problem with those who PART OUT when motivated by greed and laziness. They would rather break apart an entire machine than attempt to transport/ship it whole.

Ralph

[fran604g]

Hi Ralph, thanks for your thoughtful post.

I began a post a couple of days ago, to share my 1-C with the community here: http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewto ... =2&t=25518

I think nearly all of us are in agreement when it comes to saving as many artifacts as we logically can. Many of us certainly do just that; and more.

I really don't want to keep on kicking this dead horse, but I feel compelled, once again, to state my opinion.

My problem is when one person proclaims it's his personal duty to vet or scrutinize potential buyers of a public sale that he has no vested interest in -- other than alerting others to what he is unwilling or unable to acquire himself. IMHO, that is not his duty to humanity.

Nor mine.

Thankfully, I found the public estate sale all by my lonesome self, and procured through the very generous help of my eldest son and his wife, my first, and quite important (to me), Edison Long Playing Phonograph. Honestly, some (many) of us are more than happy to publicly post items we find for sale locally, or even nationally, with virtuous intent. What happens after that is really no one's business, unless or until the actual purchaser (present owner) chooses to share the topic.

Give information freely, and ask for nothing in return. We are, after all, on the same team (I think).

Along with my very late Chippendale C 19, and my Schubert, I am now blessed to have three wonderful examples of the Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph, all from the final years of production of the Edison Phonograph Division. Charles Edison is my personal hero, even though he couldn't save the Edison entertainment business from certain death.

Imagine how the world in which we live in today could have been altered!

I do hope this is the end of this particular thread discussion, because, at this point, it really is irrelevant.

My sincere apologies to anyone I may have offended, as many of you know, that will never be my intention. BUT; enough of my own particular idiosyncrasies!

Best regards,
Fran

[pughphonos]

Hi Ralph, thanks for your thoughtful post..... I do hope this is the end of this particular thread discussion, because, at this point, it really is irrelevant....Fran

You can't have the last word, Fran, because I must say "Thank You"--and also voice my full agreement that these dust-ups are worthwhile if we can re-state some basic principles and forgive each other our foibles.