C250/C19 Database project

[fran604g]

Thank you, Dave. I appreciate your contribution.

Best,
Fran

[Scott]

Fran,
Here's a few from Seattle's Craigslist. Hope you can get s little info from this for your database..

http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/atq/5887233333.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ele/5888452648.html

[fran604g]

Fran,
Here's a few from Seattle's Craigslist. Hope you can get s little info from this for your database..

http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/atq/5887233333.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ele/5888452648.html

Thank you, Scott. Those are both new entries.

Best,
Fran

[NateO]

Fran, here is the info on my new C-19:

1. Model Designation: (C-250 or C-19): C-19

2. Serial Number: SM-151456

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: Y/N: No

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round/Pentagonal/None: Round

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: Please be precise (Abbreviated signature, for example): Diamond Disc Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison

6. Record Storage: Drawers or Shelves?: Shelves

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Mahogany or Oak?: Mahogany

8. Duncan Stop?: Y/N: No

9. Dealer Tag: Name/Address, Location On Machine: None

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc.: (Dates are particularly noteworthy): None

11. Grille cloth? Color?: Replacement, white

For those with C-19's, please supplement the above information to include the following addendums to the list of criteria that I've asked for previously:

12) Is the reproducer, horn throat, and other hardware on the turntable gold plated or gun-metal?: Gold plated

13) Is the record storage door held open by a rod at the top, center shelf or the bottom of the cabinet?: Center

14) Are the numbered strips for the record storage 1-36 on both strips or 1-36 on the top strip and 37-72 on the bottom strip?: 1-36 on both strips

15) Does the governor have 2 springs or 3 springs?: 2 springs



As an extra note, this machine is also equipped with Long Play gearing.

[fran604g]

Hi Nate,

Congratulations on your "new" acquisition, and thank you for the information, I'll add it to my ever-growing spreadsheet.

Happy Holidays!

Best,
Fran

[Lynda62]

Hi Fran,

I stumbled upon this forum in the process of researching the victrola we have with the intention of selling it. Was trying to find out what it might be worth and how to find someone who might be interested. But anyway, I thought you might like to have my info for your database in the meantime. I don't know much about these machines so a couple of your questions I can't answer and have entered a question mark.

1. Model Designation: (C-250 or C-19): C-250

2. Serial Number: SM-67065

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: Y/N: ?

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round/Pentagonal/None: Round

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: Please be precise (Abbreviated signature, for example): The Model 250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model. Thos. A. Edison

6. Record Storage: Drawers or Shelves?: drawers

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Mahogany or Oak?: oak

8. Duncan Stop?: Y/N: ?

9. Dealer Tag: Name/Address, Location On Machine : Windsor Music Co. Tarentum, PA, inside lid

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc.: (Dates are particularly noteworthy): no

11. Grille cloth? Color?: none


Lynda

[fran604g]

Hi Fran,

I stumbled upon this forum in the process of researching the victrola we have with the intention of selling it. Was trying to find out what it might be worth and how to find someone who might be interested. But anyway, I thought you might like to have my info for your database in the meantime. I don't know much about these machines so a couple of your questions I can't answer and have entered a question mark.

1. Model Designation: (C-250 or C-19): C-250

2. Serial Number: SM-67065

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: Y/N: ?

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round/Pentagonal/None: Round

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: Please be precise (Abbreviated signature, for example): The Model 250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model. Thos. A. Edison

6. Record Storage: Drawers or Shelves?: drawers

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Mahogany or Oak?: oak

8. Duncan Stop?: Y/N: ?

9. Dealer Tag: Name/Address, Location On Machine : Windsor Music Co. Tarentum, PA, inside lid

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc.: (Dates are particularly noteworthy): no

11. Grille cloth? Color?: none


Lynda

Thank you, Lynda, I'll add your C 250 to the spreadsheet.

Welcome to the BEST forum on the web, and don't be afraid to ask any questions.

If you conduct a search of our posts, you'll find a world of information, on an incredible variety of talking machines.

*EDITED* 1-26-2017 11:00 AM*

I'll elaborate for you, on a couple of my survey questions:

The so-called "Duncan Stop" (it was actually designated by the Edison company as the "Edison Electric Automatic Stop") is found on C 250's that were produced between January 1917 (around SN 27,659) through July 1918 (around SN 63,373), also it has been observed with the "William and Mary" (W 250), and has been reported to have been provided with the "Art" models.

It was installed at the factory, but also a "kit" was sold so that end-users could convert their existing machines, but I have no information just how many kits may have been marketed and used. The system used a modified reproducer that had a socket at the rear of the reproducer hinge block, so that a wire would be connected between the reproducer and an electrical solenoid mounted to the motor plate, under the turntable .

Instead of 2 levers providing the start/stop operations, the E.A.S. provided only 1 lever that functioned as both start and stop.

Using this information, you can quickly identify whether or not the electric stop is present on any Diamond Disc Phonograph model.

In regard to the "pinstriping" inquiry (I should have used the term "motor plate" instead of "bedplate" in this early version of the survey), this is pertaining to the decorative gold pinstripe found on the earlier C 250 -- around the perimeter of the top of the motor plate. About the same time as the E.A.S. was provided on the C 250, the pinstripe seems to have disappeared. None of the Chippendale Upright units that I believe to be as originally equipped, have this pinstripe after the E.A.S. was included in the manufacture.

If you'd like to view the latest updated version of my survey -- which is much more comprehensive than the earliest version found on page 1 of this thread -- a link is here: http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewto ... 90#p164890

Best,
Fran

[fran604g]

Hi folks,

For any of the newer members that would like to participate, the latest version of my questionnaire can be found here: http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewto ... 90#p164890

Thank you all for your continued support of this research project.

Best,
Fran

[DGPros]

I have another for your project

1. What is the Model Designation? "C 19"

2. What is the Serial Number? "SM-93950"

3. Which finish does the motor plate have?:


3D) "Black with NO pin striping".

4(A) No

4(B) Does the top of the motor plate have a continuous flat surface, or is there a large concentric circular depression (located beneath the turntable) present? "Circular".

4(C) Does the governor (located beneath the turntable) have "2 springs"

4(D) Which finish is on the reproducer, horn throat, and other hardware on the motor plate? “Gold plated”

5. Which "Official Laboratory Medallion" is present?


5C) "R-1" = Round emblem stating: “The Model 250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”


6. Which form of record storage is present:


6C) 2 Shelves divided by individual record "slots"; AND: Are the corresponding numbered strips for the shelves: 1-36 on both strips

7. Cabinet Wood Type: "Mahogany"

8. Is an "Electric Automatic Stop" (AKA Duncan Stop) present on the motor plate? No

9. Please list any dealer tags or decals present anywhere on the cabinet: Only Cabinet 19 form 2430

10. Are there any original dated sales receipts/shipping documentation, etc. with the machine? No

[pianogirl]

1. Model Designation: (C-250 or C-19)

Shows both, but serial number plate says C019

2. Serial Number:
79121

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: Y/N
Not sure what this is

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round/Pentagonal/None
Round see attachment

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: Please be precise (Abbreviated signature, for example)
"The Model 250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model. Thos A Edison"

6. Record Storage: Drawers or Shelves?
Drawers

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Mahogany or Oak?
Oak

8. Duncan Stop?: Y/N
Not sure what this is see attachment

9. Dealer Tag: Name/Address, Location On Machine
none

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc.: (Dates are particularly noteworthy):
None

11. Grille cloth? Color?
Gold/beige metallic looking (see attachment)

For those with C-19's, please supplement the above information to include the following addendums to the list of criteria that I've asked for previously:

12) Is the reproducer, horn throat, and other hardware on the turntable gold plated or gun-metal?
Not sure (see attachment)

13) Is the record storage door held open by a rod at the top, center shelf or the bottom of the cabinet?
Bottom

14) Are the numbered strips for the record storage 1-36 on both strips or 1-36 on the top strip and 37-72 on the bottom strip?
both strips

15) Does the governor have 2 springs or 3 springs?
Don't know what this is either - sorry.