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Edison Standard Question

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Hello,
I recently purchased my first phonograph, an Edison Standard model B. This is a two minute machine, with a model C reproducer. Here are a couple of pictures of it. Would any of you be able to tell me when this would have been manufactured?
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It seems to run okay, but I plan on cleaning and relubricating the motor in the near future as the oil on the gears is old and has turned sticky. Eventually, I might try taking some of the dents out of the horn as well.

The machine came with one 4 minute Blue Amberol record, which I know is not compatible with this machine. I was able to find a Columbia cylinder record yesterday, which I think is a two minute record. It is number 997, Washington Post March. It looks like black plastic, but doesn't say if it is a two or four minute record. Can anyone verify that this record is compatible with my phonograph? Are Columbia cylinder records safely playable on Edison machines? Here are pictures of the record and its box.
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Re: Edison Standard Question

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Hello and welcome to the forum.

Your Washington Post March record is a 2 minute record and safe to played on your machine.

James.

PS: take a peak here...
https://www.antiquephono.org/spotters-g ... honograph/
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Hi Brendan,

Welcome to the forum and to the hobby!

According to Edison factory sales records, your Standard left the factory about December 1906.

The black celluloid cylinder you picture is an Indestructible, and judging by the serial number it should be a two-minute variety. Try playing it, and if it doesn't skip within the first 5 seconds or so, it should be a two-minute.

As a newcomer to the hobby, you may find the following article helpful:

https://www.antiquephono.org/basic-anti ... onal-tips/

Best of luck, and don't be afraid to ask questions! :)

George P.

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This has been my general rule of thumb. :coffee:
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Thanks for the replies and for the warm welcome to the forum!
I played the phonograph for the first time this evening and I am happy to report that it worked.
I'm not too familiar with how these phonographs are supposed to sound, but to me it seemed to sound a bit harsh and tinny. Is this a symptom of hardened gaskets in the reproducer? Would replacing them with new, pliable gaskets mellow out the sound?
Thanks,
Brendan

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Brendan wrote:it seemed to sound a bit harsh and tinny. Is this a symptom of hardened gaskets in the reproducer? Would replacing them with new, pliable gaskets mellow out the sound?
Rebuilding an Edison (and many other reproducers) with fresh gaskets will improve the sound presuming your stylus is in good playing condition.

And you can do it yourself if you take your time.

As with many do-it-yourself projects at home, begin with trying to find (and then watching) a YouTube video posted by someone who has been successful at what you're needing to do.

I cannot tell you how many times I have referred to YouTube videos to do projects at home that in the past I would have otherwise had to pay someone else to do. As a recent example, just a couple of days ago the rear brakes on our vehicle were making a scraping sound after we went through a car wash. I thought perhaps that the powerful under-carriage washing process had disturbed something in the rotors and/or pads on the brakes. Next morning no improvement.

My wife encouraged me to take our vehicle to a well known auto service place to get the work done as they had a fine reputation for honesty and fair pricing. When I arrived I was greeted with a smile and told "we'll have you fixed up in about an hour or so for around $350..."). That sounded fair to me and so I waited for 45 minutes in the waiting room thinking that my car was almost done when the service manager came out with a grim face and said "bad news, sir...you need new calipers, new rotors and new pads. We're at $925 for your brakes...). I told him that was a quite a difference from the $350 you had told me 45 minutes ago. "Well, after the technician looked at it he found a few more problems..." Yeah...OK... I said thanks anyway and limped back home calling my wife with the news. I went straight to AutoZone and picked up two rotors and a set of brake pads, watched a couple of YouTube videos, took some notes and I was done with the brakes that same day all by myself for a total cost of $135. Why didn't I do it myself in the first place? Because I didn't have confidence that I could do it myself as the last time I did my own brakes was more than 40 years ago when I was a teenager. And $350 seemed fair with parts and labor. But $925? Please...

So, with apologies for going a bit off track with my overpaying-for-service-you-can-do-yourself diatribe, if you feel comfortable trying to rebuild your reproducer yourself to improve the sound (You can! And it will!) then try it yourself. I believe there is a useful video on YouTube showing the rebuilding of an Edison model C reproducer. Two gaskets from Ron Sitko will set you back about a dollar or so.

Once you rebuild just one reproducer successfully you'll have built up confidence to do another should you need or desire to.

Good luck!

Doug

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Brendan wrote:Thanks for the replies and for the warm welcome to the forum!
I played the phonograph for the first time this evening and I am happy to report that it worked.
I'm not too familiar with how these phonographs are supposed to sound, but to me it seemed to sound a bit harsh and tinny. Is this a symptom of hardened gaskets in the reproducer? Would replacing them with new, pliable gaskets mellow out the sound?
Thanks,
Brendan
To be honest, Your setup with the small horn will always sound a bit tinny. I also have an Edison Standard with the same type of horn and it sounds the same. A bigger horn will give you a much better and fuller sound, but then you will also need a crane to hold that horn. Rebuilding your reproducer will give you some improvement, but I would not expect wonders.

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When you clean the gears be careful of the governor. If you bend one of the axles/pins taking it out of the bearing it may screw it up. I have done that. If you remove the governor make sure you take off the on/off lever held on with one screw. Cleaning the gears may quiet it down a lot. Get some synthetic oil and grease to use. Gun oil works well also.. Tom

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