Tinplate Columbia?

[Lucius1958]

Stopped by an antique store on Rte. 85 this afternoon, and encountered an odd machine. Alas, I didn't have a camera, so I'll have to describe it.

The case was japanned tin, about 11-12" square, and about 8" high, with a small grille near the bottom, and decorated with a simple frieze of some composition like linoleum. The mechanism, tone arm and reproducer were clearly Columbia, with the crank and speed control both on the right side; but no identification except a patent label on the bottom.

It looked in decent original condition; and there was some residual power in the spring, as it started turning (somewhat noisily, though) when I lifted the needle off.

Has anyone encountered a Columbia client machine of this type? Any catalog illustrations?

Also, I am loth to pick up another machine to work on; but it was unusual enough to tempt me, and the tag price was $60. Decisions, decisions...

Bill

[phonogfp]

Sounds like a Europa. For $60 it would be a good buy if complete.

There's one pictured on page 165 of Discovering Antique Phonographs.

George P.

[Lucius1958]

Sounds like a Europa. For $60 it would be a good buy if complete.

There's one pictured on page 165 of Discovering Antique Phonographs.

George P.

Thanks! I'll swing by there soon.

Bill

Edit: found the image!

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[phonogfp]

That's the baby! Good luck - -

George P.

[Curt A]

As George said, it's a Columbia Europa, which is extremely hard to find for sale... It came in two versions: a backmount horn machine and a hornless one, like your picture. I have only encountered two of these and I bought one of them for over $200. It is scarce because it was made in Germany just before WWI and when WWI broke out, the importation of these was stopped. Because they were cheap at the time, a lot of people scrapped them, since they did not want anything German made...

If the decorated portion around the machine is in good condition, this is a desirable machine. The decoration was made of pressed paper and is very fragile, so be careful with it...

PS: Bill, if you really don't want to mess with another machine, let me know where it is and I'll take it...

[gramophone-georg]

I had an outside horn version Europa many years ago that I sold and still regret selling.

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[estott]

As George said, it's a Columbia Europa, which is extremely hard to find for sale... It came in two versions: a backmount horn machine and a hornless one, like your picture. I have only encountered two of these and I bought one of them for over $200. It is scarce because it was made in Germany just before WWI and when WWI broke out, the importation of these was stopped. Because they were cheap at the time, a lot of people scrapped them, since they did not want anything German made...

At the same time Columbia imported a quantity of German embossed horns with screw threads for Columbia elbows- these do turn up on occasion.

[Lucius1958]

As George said, it's a Columbia Europa, which is extremely hard to find for sale... It came in two versions: a backmount horn machine and a hornless one, like your picture. I have only encountered two of these and I bought one of them for over $200. It is scarce because it was made in Germany just before WWI and when WWI broke out, the importation of these was stopped. Because they were cheap at the time, a lot of people scrapped them, since they did not want anything German made...

If the decorated portion around the machine is in good condition, this is a desirable machine. The decoration was made of pressed paper and is very fragile, so be careful with it...

PS: Bill, if you really don't want to mess with another machine, let me know where it is and I'll take it...

I'll head up there tomorrow to get it. But if you're really eager, you can travel up to southeast CT to claim it...

The decorated portion is good: just a little bit in the back is loose.

Bill

[Lucius1958]

And, here's the little darling, home at last...

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[phonogfp]

You did well - - congratulations!

George P.