Listen to ENRICO CARUSO! True Acoustic Recordings!

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Listen to ENRICO CARUSO! True Acoustic Recordings!

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Dear mates, let me invite you to enjoy the true acoustic recordings of the great Italian tenor Enrico Caruso in my YouTube Channel. I no doubt trust that the finest result will be come out when these true acoustic recordingds are played on the acoustic machine, not on modern electrical turntable or pick up. Each record has been heard by Caruso self for many many times before published, actually each one is treasure for us if you are opera fans. After compared a lot of digital transferred CARUSO COMPELET RECORDINGs, easy to aware of those recordings are play with a lot of surface noise, or otherwise over noise cut and lost details, so we hear Caruso's sounds without Caruso. I have collected over hundreds Caruso's records, I tried my best to play these records on my HMV 3 springs early motor with Exhibition golden reproducer with high quality steel needles, then re-recorded them directly by SONY PCM-D100 RECORDER, I did not to edit or noise cut works on those results. I'm very happy these sounds are really finest result and true CARUSO sounds.
I'm happy to share with you and you may enjoy these true acoustic recordings of CARUSO!
https://youtu.be/1u7GfkGVhgU
https://youtu.be/UrarW6WXMVo
https://youtu.be/43S5f77M3v4
https://youtu.be/pEinoInXHKc
https://youtu.be/pPdaV9SZyVo
https://youtu.be/9EpY7BDqRCk
https://youtu.be/-GgeUAiqU-E
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I also have come lately to think that these recoords must be listened to as they were intended to be, i.e., played in machines of the era. The use of exponential horns improves reproduction of sound, and this technique was available in 1900, as the Rayleigh and others' studies about horns were from earlier dates. We don't know why this technique had not been yet used by then. It simply may be a question of development step by step.
The fact is that the gramophones of the era were made as they were, and the records were played on these machines. Recording engineers had their own tuned recorders, details kept carefully secret. But we may suppose they did their tests, and played the resulting records using these gramophones, then make corrections, etc. So it's logical to think that all the process was finallly intended to sound the best on the gramophones of that era. They were satisfied with which they obtained...! Is it better to tamper with modern reproduction systems trying to enhance the freq range we hear?
On the other hand, it is a well known fact among us collectors that our ears get used to the sound of a particular machine very fast. One day you start to play records on a machine and at the beginning it may sound awful, but after some more records played the sound seems better. We (brain and ears) learn to listen to a particular sound with incredible ability. Who of us has not experimented the sensation of an afternoon listening of acoustics in an old machine, and discover after one hour listening that the sound of the records so played is marvelous? Isn't this true?
People of 1900 listened to records on gramophones of 1900, and casual listeners might say anything, but true devoted listeners were happy with the results.
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Inigo wrote:I also have come lately to think that these recoords must be listened to as they were intended to be, i.e., played in machines of the era. The use of exponential horns improves reproduction of sound, and this technique was available in 1900, as the Rayleigh and others' studies about horns were from earlier dates. We don't know why this technique had not been yet used by then. It simply may be a question of development step by step.
The fact is that the gramophones of the era were made as they were, and the records were played on these machines. Recording engineers had their own tuned recorders, details kept carefully secret. But we may suppose they did their tests, and played the resulting records using these gramophones, then make corrections, etc. So it's logical to think that all the process was finallly intended to sound the best on the gramophones of that era. They were satisfied with which they obtained...! Is it better to tamper with modern reproduction systems trying to enhance the freq range we hear?
On the other hand, it is a well known fact among us collectors that our ears get used to the sound of a particular machine very fast. One day you start to play records on a machine and at the beginning it may sound awful, but after some more records played the sound seems better. We (brain and ears) learn to listen to a particular sound with incredible ability. Who of us has not experimented the sensation of an afternoon listening of acoustics in an old machine, and discover after one hour listening that the sound of the records so played is marvelous? Isn't this true?
People of 1900 listened to records on gramophones of 1900, and casual listeners might say anything, but true devoted listeners were happy with the results.
Hi mate, thanks for your giving extra more nice words what I am thinking and agree with. I want to say, in fact, if play these records on high quality acoustic machine in our day, I trust most of people still enjoy them, because they are really really really nice sounds, much better than imagined, fully acceptable, even for untrained ears.
I have watched some clips that some modern singers stood in front of a horn, who tried to record their voice by the cylinder machine in museum like as old time singers did, some of them felt interesting and honored, but some of them tried to prove the CARUSO's sounds of records are NOT TRUE. Sometimes, sadly to say, they are really not enough know about the history of gramophone. As we know here, except Caruso had recorded his early records before 1904 on the Cylinder machine, afterwards he made a lot of records in Victor Company in Camden, at that time, the recording technique has been improved much better than early time. So, most of Caruso's record actually were not recorded by simple cylinder machine, the testing they did just fun.
Anyway, I hope I can share all of my collections and let you guys enjoy!haha:)
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Most of Caruso's pre-Victor records are not cylinders, just the few that were issued by Pathé on cylinder and disc, ca. 1903.

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I saw this photo of Caruso with his Victrola a long time ago.I've never seen one with a Victor record inside the lid.I assume it was a Victrola made specially for Mr.Caruso.edisonplayer

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edisonplayer wrote:I saw this photo of Caruso with his Victrola a long time ago.I've never seen one with a Victor record inside the lid.I assume it was a Victrola made specially for Mr.Caruso.edisonplayer
Hi mate, We can know about this one from the Book “ENRICO CARUSO HIS LIFE AND DEATH” by Caruso’s widow Dorothy Caruso, “As a wedding present the Victor Company sent us a black and gold Chinese lacquer phonograph. On the inside of the red lid was attached a gold record of “La Donna è mobile,” because this was the first song he had recorded for them, in 1903. ”
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A very good friend of mine passed away recently. He had tons of fine operatic recordings. He would always scold me if I posted something that wasn't set to the original speed. I am always surprised at how variable that could have been. I think of 78's and running that speed but not so with many operatic recordings. He sent me two strobes with about 10 choices of speed per disc. Running the correct recorded speed is most likely the biggest factor in hearing it as it was actually recorded. He sent me the two strobes marked as "Caruso Stroboscope" by the Historic Record, Valhalia N. Y. 10595. On line there are some sites that give the original recorded revolutions for the records. Where they are however I am not totally sure.

Here is a good article explaining it but no listing of correct speeds.

http://www.todotango.com/english/histor ... -recorded/


I looked for a site that would show the correct speeds but none actually had a listing of the various records. I would guess more than one person on this site would have access to where it can be found?

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This chart has some suggested speeds. https://midimagic.sgc-hosting.com/mixlabls.htm

I would still default to own judgement rather than taking something like this as gospel.

Your Caruso strobe disc is surely the same one as was included in Aida-Favia Artsay's book / survey of Caruso's records.

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You can also check old Naucktion catalogues. He currently lists playing speeds for valuable operatic recordings. Don't know the source for these data, but knowing the seriousness and good proceeds of Kurt, I would take these with confidence.
The latest catalogues are downloadable in pdf form from his website www.78rpm.com and if you ask him surely he would send you pdf files of past catalogues.
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I've never seen an online source listing the speed of Caruso records specifically. There are some in print form. I have William R. Moran's Caruso discography with playing speeds in the back of Enrico Caruso Jr's book.

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