Can't remove barrel axle on older 2 spring Victor Motor

[antique1973]

I can't get the axle out for the life of me. I removed the two retaining
screws from the side and the metal ring. The axle will rotate somewhat
and will slide partially to each side slightly, but then it hangs up
on something. I tried pulling it out with pliers and knocking it with
a chisel to no avail. Is there something I am overlooking or could it
just be hanging up on the spring perhaps? The motor came from an XI by the way.

[Energ15]

It's probably hung on the spring. The spring has to be attached to the axil one way or another to provide the tension to run the motor. Otherwise, when the crank is turned, the spring would just slip around it and never wind up. There's probably some kind of screw or latch or slit that attaches the spring to it. Sorry I can't be much help as I am not fond of this particular motor.

-Energ15

[phonojim]

Look at the top picture. Notice the support pedestal that the spring barrel shaft goes through. This support is removable and must indeed be removed in order to free the barrel and shaft. It is attached to the main casting of the motor by 2 screws which are installed from the top of the casting. If you look to the right of the rib on the support, you can see a hole and the end of one of the screws. You will need to remove the whole motor from the top plate in order to get at the heads of these screws. Once you remove the bracket the barrels and shaft will slip out of the support bushing on the crank side. You should never hammer on motor castings as these motors are designed to come apart without any of that. They are cast iron and you could easily break one which would quickly multiply your problems. As far as removing the shaft and separating the barrels, I will leave that to someone else. It has been a long time since I have worked on that style motor and I can't remember what's in there.
Also, if you don't have a general familiarity with repairing these motors, you may want to send it out for repair. Plus, springs can be very dangerous to handle if you are not experienced with them.

Jim

[antique1973]

That would make sense, thanks Jim. I will pull off the motor board so I can get at the
hidden screws. I am pretty comfortable with the springs by now as I have overhauled
(3) 2-spring motors, one 4 spring, and a vv-35 single spring so far. This
motor is a totally different "animal" however. On the later Victor motors its one
screw and the axle slides right out. I guess this one is a bit more complicated.

[SonnyPhono]

Jim is right about the two screws holding the support. Remove those and the barrels and shaft will come apart from the rest of the motor. The next step is to remove the winding gears from the shaft. This can be a bit tricky as they tend to be very tightly fitted on the shaft. The gear should slide off the shaft. It is held in place by a small pin that goes through a hole in the shaft. It is the same principal used with the turntable spindle where a pin is inserted through the shaft and the turntable catches on the pin. The gear catches in the same way. It has a small recess in the bottom that when slid onto the shaft, will catch the pin allowing it to be locked into position. Like I said, they are usually tough to remove as they are very snug and the hardened grease just makes things worse. I usually have to gently insert two screwdrivers under the gear to use like a crowbar of sorts. If you insert them on the opposite sides of the gears so they are facing each other and gently begin to lift on them, the applied leverage will lift the gear off the pin and ultimately off the shaft.

At that point things are pretty self explanatory and you shouldn't have much trouble. I will try to dig up the pictures I took during the last one I worked on to help illustrate the process. Either way, I hope this made sense and helped out.

[antique1973]

Jim is right about the two screws holding the support. Remove those and the barrels and shaft will come apart from the rest of the motor. The next step is to remove the winding gears from the shaft. This can be a bit tricky as they tend to be very tightly fitted on the shaft. The gear should slide off the shaft. It is held in place by a small pin that goes through a hole in the shaft. It is the same principal used with the turntable spindle where a pin is inserted through the shaft and the turntable catches on the pin. The gear catches in the same way. It has a small recess in the bottom that when slid onto the shaft, will catch the pin allowing it to be locked into position. Like I said, they are usually tough to remove as they are very snug and the hardened grease just makes things worse. I usually have to gently insert two screwdrivers under the gear to use like a crowbar of sorts. If you insert them on the opposite sides of the gears so they are facing each other and gently begin to lift on them, the applied leverage will lift the gear off the pin and ultimately off the shaft.

At that point things are pretty self explanatory and you shouldn't have much trouble. I will try to dig up the pictures I took during the last one I worked on to help illustrate the process. Either way, I hope this made sense and helped out.

Sonny thanks so much for the heads up on what sounds like the next "battle". It seems like the
hardest part about restoring motors, reproducers, etc. is disassembling the parts without
destroying them. After that its usually all downhill.

[antique1973]

Got the motor up and running just now. I managed to reform the center
of one spring so it would catch on the axle arbor. This took about an hour
of fiddling with needle nose pliers. Then the tiny retaining pins on
the winding gear were nowhere to be found during reassembly. I ended
up making a custom retaining pin for that. This was my most challenging
repair/regrease job by far. Thanks for everyone's helpful advice, I would
have been lost without it!

[SonnyPhono]

Glad to hear you finished the job and got it working again!

[antique1973]

Glad to hear you finished the job and got it working again!

Thanks Sonny! Me too. lol. Now I have a rough cabinet to deal with. The varnish is
in decent shape but there are some thin paint splatters. I will give a go with kotton
klenser and OOOO steel wool tomorrow.

[antique1973]

Here are the "after" pics. The motor is strong as a mule, runs forever now.