Would like to know what type of Gramophone this is?

[Lucius1958]

I wonder, given the description, whether a Pathé tone arm would fit the machine?

- Bill

[chrissydretro]

Fantastic Inigo,

These photos and info are really great - again its very much appreciated!



Thanks again,
Chris

[Inigo]

What it seems is that the support or back bracket, is authentic... And the case, except for the metal ornaments. But this could be because we don't have photos of all models but three. The digital library fitted not have the catalogue. I'll continue searching...

[Inigo]

Another things I've noticed while investigating on the web. I downloaded record catalogs, commercial letters and newspapers and magazines adverts of this MÁQUINA PARLANTE company.
First, and most important for you: if you zoom on the gramophones drawings there is lettering on the shadow in front of the machine, and at first I thought it was to be the signature of the designer, and oh! Surprise! It is unreadable, but surely ends in the word LEIPZIG. Maybe the gramophones are originally made in Leipzig, and imported, not made in Madrid.... Although I've seen other models that looked to be made here, as one portable I saw once in the flesh. Could you ask this on the German forum,
https://grammophon-platten.de
Also this page has some interesting German catalogues
http://www.sprechapparate.de
Watching the catalogues at sprechapparate, and things like the Ernst Knott catalogue, I think that even the portable I saw once could also be imported. It is a marvel the myriad of gramophone makers in Germany... Many using similar soundboxes and other elements. And how many gramophones I've seen that seemed frankenphones I'm starting to believe they were original German made machines. They used profusely these round metal horns with the peacock ornaments stamped, even in Grammophon-branded machines (German HMV). It seems that the German branch, as did the French branch and its daughter the Spanish branch, and the Russians too, had enormous liberty in dressing their machines in their own style and taste, noticeably different from the Victor and British HMV machines. What a wealthy of variations and local styles!
This one is for sale in Spain now, branded as a Columbia!!

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[Inigo]

After watching all the catalog excerpts at sprechapparate.de, I've ended with an idea... I'll never prejudge one machine as a frankenphone, never again. Many gramophones I've seen in Spain seemed just that, and now I'm falling... They probably were true German assembled machines, imported by Spanish stores... One never knows...

[soundgen]

After watching all the catalog excerpts at sprechapparate.de, I've ended with an idea... I'll never prejudge one machine as a frankenphone, never again. Many gramophones I've seen in Spain seemed just that, and now I'm falling... They probably were true German assembled machines, imported by Spanish stores... One never knows...

Banus Banus , I sold Banus Banus hundreds of gramophone motors in the 1980s they must have been made into hundreds of gramophones , Indeed there was a shop in Barcelona selling these by the dozen

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=32383&p=192398&hilit=banus#p192398

[Lucius1958]

Another things I've noticed while investigating on the web. I downloaded record catalogs, commercial letters and newspapers and magazines adverts of this MÁQUINA PARLANTE company.
First, and most important for you: if you zoom on the gramophones drawings there is lettering on the shadow in front of the machine, and at first I thought it was to be the signature of the designer, and oh! Surprise! It is unreadable, but surely ends in the word LEIPZIG. Maybe the gramophones are originally made in Leipzig, and imported, not made in Madrid.... Although I've seen other models that looked to be made here, as one portable I saw once in the flesh. Could you ask this on the German forum,
https://grammophon-platten.de
Also this page has some interesting German catalogues
http://www.sprechapparate.de
Watching the catalogues at sprechapparate, and things like the Ernst Knott catalogue, I think that even the portable I saw once could also be imported. It is a marvel the myriad of gramophone makers in Germany... Many using similar soundboxes and other elements. And how many gramophones I've seen that seemed frankenphones I'm starting to believe they were original German made machines. They used profusely these round metal horns with the peacock ornaments stamped, even in Grammophon-branded machines (German HMV). It seems that the German branch, as did the French branch and its daughter the Spanish branch, and the Russians too, had enormous liberty in dressing their machines in their own style and taste, noticeably different from the Victor and British HMV machines. What a wealthy of variations and local styles!
This one is for sale in Spain now, branded as a Columbia!!

IMG_20200927_130824.jpg

SAVE_20200927_131216.jpg

From what I could decipher by zooming in, the legend seems to read "Louis Gerstner Leipzig"
This could merely be the name of the engraver who produced the illustrations, however...

- Bill

[Inigo]

Well, if this is true, then googling I've found it was a famous 1900s house of graphic and photographic arts. So the gramophones might have been originally built in Madrid, following the epoque style and trend... Certainly then seems that the inscription under the drawings relates to the photo engraver or something alike. They also worked out maps and zoologie/botanical engravings for books.

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