Help me identify this cylinder record.

[Flvice]

I received this record along with a bunch that I purchased on Ebay. It was in a Edison Gould Moulded British Series Cylinder box that is obviously not the right one.

The cylinder is bright red and is titled / engraved on the end, playing side, "Hungry Women" and then "ECR" 3012.

The record will not fit all the way on an Edison Madrel but it is a 2 minute record as if I position it straight on the mandrel I can play half of it. Its a nice tune.. sound profesionally done. It is announced "Hungry Women Sung by Eddie Cantor Electraphone Records" (I Think)

The record is made of some type of hard plastic and is not wax like. I did a search and could not find a thing about this record or maufacture. I'm not sure if I'm getting the company name right I'm assuming that "ECR" might stand for electraphone records.

Anyone know about this type of record and the player used to play it.

Thanks (See Pics)

[Roaring20s]

This will help you...

http://www.capsnews.org/apn2008-6.htm

James

[Edisone]

Produced in the 1980s by Peter Dilg and Dennis Valente. I think it is vinyl & playable with an Edison C reproducer, but you should read the article carefully to be sure.

http://www.capsnews.org/apn2008-6.htm

[gramophoneshane]

The original box looked like the one below. Strange you're having trouble fitting it on the mandrel, although a couple of mine I need to make several attempts before it slides on properly.

[Edisone]

The original box looked like the one below. Strange you're having trouble fitting it on the mandrel, although a couple of mine I need to make several attempts before it slides on properly.

And DON'T try to shove it on the mandrel, or you might regret it. I had (had) 2 black Lambert records with "Fairy Tales no.1" on the first & "Fairy Tales no.2" on the other. One of them wouldn't go far enough on the mandrel, so my brain-dead self gave it a good push. *crick!* said the record, as it split from end to end. ugh.

Did you know that US Everlasting cylinders use a sheet of celluloid, wrapped around the core? On one of mine, the glue gave out & the sheet popped right off. I'd like to know how they smoothed the joint, to avoid a once-around click.

[Valecnik]

The electrophone records did shrink and now often don't fit on the mandrel.

Same problem, but after 80 years with indestructibles and US Everlasting except only the surface shrinks, not the core, so they fit on the mandrel but can have skips, even perfectly clean records.

[gramophoneshane]

The electrophone records did shrink and now often don't fit on the mandrel.

Great! I guess that's something I've got to look forward to in the future
The only real problem I've had with one of mine is the surfae layers of vinyl are delaminating. It's peeling like it has sunburn.
Mine are all black, so I wonder if the coloured versions are more prone to shrinkage than the black version??
I also hope the new Wizard & Vulcan cylinders dont suffer the same fate in 20 or 30 yrs time.

[Flvice]

Thanks to all for the responses. I guess my first error was I spelled "Electophone" wrong. The record is definitely too small to fit on the mandrel. I wont try and force it because it will break.

What do you think about using a reamer like with a blue amberol record????

I do have a Vulcan record, and the material (Although I don't know what it is) does not seem to be anything like this electrophone record which reminds me more of the plastic that is used for toys. I guess almost 100yrs later they still have problems making a record that can last forever without molding or cracking and shrinking.

I know this is a long shot, but if anyone has an empty, unused original Electrophone record box and is willing to part with it for a modest sum let me know.