HMV 163 maybe ?

[poodling around]

Low starting price.

I think these are very well thought of maybe.

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auct ... 3900c76901

[epigramophone]

It is indeed a 163 which from the pictures appears to be a good original example, just as we like to find them.
The ridiculously low starting price says all that needs to be said about the auctioneers lack of knowledge. Gramophones have horns, not "speakers", and where did they get the terms "caddy moulded hinged cover" (otherwise known as a lid) and "diaphragm arm" from? Even a superficial attempt at research would have prevented these howlers.
Such incompetence is becoming all too common. It is only a matter of days since I posted details of a 202 estimated at £200/£300. The auctioneers belatedly increased this to £2000/£3000 and the machine sold for £4400.
I feel sorry for the sellers who place their trust in these people to achieve the best prices for them. Many auctioneers now seem more interested in television appearances on antiques shows than looking after their clients interests.

[Steve]

Agreed, but I keep banging that drum to the point of distraction. Most auctioneers are clueless.

What's more galling when you consider the sellers' perspective is the fact that most of these items are bought by dealers or chancers who then flip the item immediately on Ebay for a large profit by getting the money the auctioneers should have obtained for the seller originally.

[poodling around]

It is indeed a 163 which from the pictures appears to be a good original example, just as we like to find them.
The ridiculously low starting price says all that needs to be said about the auctioneers lack of knowledge. Gramophones have horns, not "speakers", and where did they get the terms "caddy moulded hinged cover" (otherwise known as a lid) and "diaphragm arm" from? Even a superficial attempt at research would have prevented these howlers.
Such incompetence is becoming all too common. It is only a matter of days since I posted details of a 202 estimated at £200/£300. The auctioneers belatedly increased this to £2000/£3000 and the machine sold for £4400.
I feel sorry for the sellers who place their trust in these people to achieve the best prices for them. Many auctioneers now seem more interested in television appearances on antiques shows than looking after their clients interests.

Thanks as always epigramophone.

I had to laugh about the descriptions - only a few minutes ago I found an auctioneer on the same site describe a gramophone as a 'floor standing music cabinet'. On the other hand, at least they knew a lid is a lid.

[Steve]

Yes, they don't know a gramophone from a music box and use pretentious artsy terms to describe a basic cabinet but what is it with this inability to describe a lid as a lid? What do they call a door?

[poodling around]

Yes, they don't know a gramophone from a music box and use pretentious artsy terms to describe a basic cabinet but what is it with this inability to describe a lid as a lid? What do they call a door?

Well, it all depends.

As we all know, when a door is half or slightly open it is a jar - boom boom. (These are the jokes, folks).

[epigramophone]

Curious to see what the 163 made I revisited www.the-saleroom.com and saw this message :
"The auctioneer has chosen not to publish the price of this lot."
I can think of several possible reasons, the first of which is embarrassment.