table gramophone indetify

[wiaderko]

Hi!

is it HMV ? Could someone help me please ?

http://allegro.pl/show_item.php?item=1447843290

thanks!
Paul

[AZ*]

Yes, it appears to be an HMV. It has the earlier 2 spring motor and an Exhibition soundbox. But I'm not sure of the model number.

[wiaderko]

it have strange speed dial and brake , could be HMV 8 / VIII model ?

[gramophoneshane]

It appears to be a cross between the UK HMV model 8, and the 108, so I think it's either a hybrid model, possibly made for export, or perhaps it's a German or French made machine. It should have a cast iron horn with a wooden flare & louvers at the front. Sometimes the model number can found stamped into the top of the wooden flare once the motor board is removed.
It's a shame the photos aren't better. I would have like to have seen the decal, speed control and brake

[AZ*]

it have strange speed dial and brake , could be HMV 8 / VIII model ?

From the photos, it appears to have a bullet brake and dial speed regulator. Not strange, but consistent with a machine made around 1911 give or take a year or so.

[gramophoneshane]

Ah, I missed the brake & dial hiding amongst the dust. With those features, the lid lock and the 4 upright corner posts of the cabinet, I think it might be the HMV VIII, first introduced in 1910.
If I remember correctly, these early machines had the recording angle logo stamped into the T section of the tonearm, and those made in about 1911 had the stamp on both sides of the T section to allow them to be used on both internal & external horn machines. The soundbox would also be made in USA if it's an early machine.
The VIII pictured below I think (?) is the first version in mahogany, having the design pressed in the timber around the top of the cabinet. I'm guessing yours is a later more simplified version & probably dates from the 1911-1913 period. Also pictured below is the motor board which has the VIII model number stamped into it. This model number is also stamped into the rear timber ledge that the motor board sits on.
Yours might also have a similar stamp somewhere on the interior of the machine.