An HMV on FB Marketplace - Caro, MI

[Watanabehi]

Has this been cut down?

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I found a photo of this model on the World Phonographs Book published in Japan. The center of the record storage is occupied by the long horn throat. It describes the horn is saxophone-style. Somebody should get it.

[Watanabehi]

Has this been cut down?

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I found a photo of this model on the World Phonographs Book published in Japan. The center of the record storage is occupied by the long horn throat. It describes the horn is saxophone-style. Somebody should get it.

Here is another one on Yahoo Auction Japan. Its legs are a lot longer and the motor board is lower than the gold plated model. The legs seem some pieces are added to make them longer.

[Steve]

The one above has had an ugly refinish. And it's a 162, not a 192 this time and with its original legs, not cut down OR extended! The 162 is a smaller machine but it has longer, slimmer legs than the 192

[Inigo]

These early electric era models developed in 1927 into the reentrants 163 and 193/4, adding the smaller 157 and the huge 202/3... These and the latter 152,153 and 158 are insuperable, but the early electrics with saxophone horns are very interesting..
Did the 181, 191 and 201 (and 211),which also had the no4 soundbox and swan neck tone arm, have also saxophone horns? This was the first HMV generation for playing electrical recordings, of the 'Listen to the Bass' family.
Was there a 161 also? And the 156. Two lines developed just one after another; the 101-103-109-161-181-191-201-211 were styled as always, but with the new sound system, and a second generation was 156-162-192, with the square boxy style, just at the following year, in the second sound system, with thicker tonearms, the 5/5a/b soundboxes and the reentrant horns.
Sorry for my bad memory...

[Steve]

Yes, there was a 161 and all those other models were retrofitted with the no. 4 soundbox and saxophone style horn in the upright models, excluding the 511, of course, which wasn't either a boxy new full height cabinet design or a traditional Victrola shape.

[epigramophone]

I have never owned or wanted to own a saxophone model. Only the 162 and 192 were designed for the saxophone horn.
All the other models were existing cabinet designs into which the saxophone horns were fitted.
The modified machines had a "1" added to their model numbers, 160 becoming 161 and so on.

HMV did not invent the saxophone horn. The Apollo Deep Tone Resonator anticipated it by several years.
It has been suggested that HMV adopted it out of reluctance to pay Victor for the rights to the Orthophonic design.
Whatever the truth, after only two years HMV introduced the Re-Entrant models.