Rare Edison horn.

[gramophoneshane]

Can anyone tell me the name of the rare cylinder phono cygnet style horn that used the flair from the diamond disc horn?
I've been racking my brain trying to think of it but no luck so far.
I think there was some suggestion they were designed to be used with Ediphones, although that seems a little strange for an office dictating machine.

[schweg]

West Point horn- p. 316 Frow's Edison cylinder phonograph book

[gramophoneshane]

Thank you Steve. I sure wish they'd put Frow's book back into print.

[USlakeside]

Does someone have a picture? What is this thing?

[Jerry B.]

Simply said, it's an odd looking horn that appears to be made from the basic components of the Diamond Disk horn. It has the bell of the Diamond Disk and the neck is modified to resemble something like a cygnet elbow. It would never win a beauty contest but from a rarity point of view, it's near the top. Jerry Blais

[OrthoFan]

There was a short discussion about the West Point horn on the Online Edison Phonograph Discussion Board --


http://edisonphonos.proboards.com/index ... age=2#6710

--- according to a quoted statement attributed to Howard Hazelcorn in the post string, the horn was designed for use with the Ediphone, long after the last outside horn phonograph was produced. (Though whether it was used for recording or playback is not mentioned.)

[Lenoirstreetguy]

Here's the page from Frow's book. I tend to agree with Howard Hazelcorn. I can't imagine anyone wanting to have this on the parlour phonograph. Seems funny that one couldn't get a replacement horn because Music Master was making radio horns. The Magnavox speaker group virtually admitted that their horn in the late 'teens was a copy of the Edison cygnet horn.
I have an article on loudspeakers printed in 1922 that more or less says this. I will search.
Jim

[gramophoneshane]

Thank you for the scan Jim. I used to have ebay pictures of the horn (and decal) that sold back in 2007 but lost them when my old computer crashed.
I'm still not sure what to think of the dictaphone story. Even though it doesn't look like a conventional phono horn, I cant see why anyone would want a horn on an ediphone, particularly in an office situation. I also would have thought as there is no such thing as a horizontal carriage on an Ediphone, the horn would have a slight bend to meet the reproducer at the correct angle, plus how and where would you attach a crane to an Ediphone?
Regardless of it original application, I've decided to make my own version of the West Point for my Standard so I can use my Wurckers reproducer. The throat on the Wurckers is the same size as a diamond disc reproducer, and I've got a couple damaged DD horns here that I can use. I think my WP will include some sort of gooseneck though