Herzog Identification & Value

[jvic]

Can anybody help me identify the below cabinet & Value? Told it may be a Herzog Oak Gothic #820. Extraordinary original condition.

Jeff

[SonnyPhono]

I can't help much on value or other information regarding this one. But for what it's worth, it's a beautiful cabinet and I would imagine it carrying a hefty value. But that's just my speculation and I'm sure others from the board will be able to help out with the details.

[phonogfp]

That is indeed a Herzog "820". The first advertisement of which I'm aware for this model was in the August 1907 issue of the Talking Machine World. The cabinet appeared in other ads over the next year or so.

I'll leave the question of value to others.

George P.

[Ripduf1]

That 820 (oak) is a rare bird. One just went to auction at Stantons last weekend April 15. Looks just like the picture posted. That will be an excellent barometer of the current price for this cabinet. It usually takes Stantons a month or so to post the results of their auction. So unless anyone who was there took note and cares to share the closing price - we will all need to wait until Stanton posts its results.

[jvic]

This is the same one that sold at Stantons last weekend. It sold for $4,500. For some reason my posting did not go through before the auction when i was trying to determine value before bidding. Great cabinet in awesome condition. A mahogany Herzog 820 with major veneer issues went for $4,300. Two Salter disc cabinets each with dual barrel fronts and a lions head on the center column sold for about $5,000. And there was a matched set of an original Victor VI and Victor VI tall narrow cabinet with gold capitals to match that sold for $15,500.

[Ripduf1]

It looks like you will have another chance at this cabinet. Stanton's fall auction shows it listed again. The auction will be held Nov 18 & 19 2011. Plenty of time to save up for it!

[Jerry B.]

Brice Paris had a Salter cabinet at Union. It was the dual barrel front with lions head in oak. I believe it was priced under $4,000 and I don't think he had any offers. I didn't look inside to see if it was complete. Jerry B.

[larryh]

Ok, I am trying to understand here how the value of some of these items gets determined. I looked at past sales on ebay and found a record cabinet that ended at 80.00. Not a particularly bad looking item. But the Hertzog that is running has lots of bids after little more than a day and is way up already. Is it the rarity of the item or some other feature that is not obvious to the casual observer?

[Jerry B.]

I don't know how to answer Larry's question except to say that a record cabinet is more of a utilitarian item and so many of them were designed as such. Occasionally, you find one with tons of style or one that was intended for only one specific machine. These are the ones that we spend large amounts of money to own. My basement is crowded so I only keep record cabinets that are interesting and add interest to my collection. Sometimes these cabinets cost more than the machine that sits on top. Make sense? Jerry Blais

[Ripduf1]

I believe you are referring to a closed sale in Millbury Ma for Oak cabinet at $88. That cabinet is designed for a victrola (inside horn victor machine). That is a pretty common cabinet - If you have a victrola it would be a perfectly appropriate match.Circa (1919+ is my guess)

I believe you are referring to the Herzog for Victor V in Pa. This is "as described" a HARD TO FIND CABINET made to receive a Victor V and only a Victor V. That is because of the top molding designed to accept physical cabinet dimensions of the V. Which as we know is an outside Horn machine. So its kind of early - It is made for a victor V - and is Hard to find ie. In the day many people (relatively speaking) bought Victor V's, but far fewer bought "the cabinet that matches" for their V. There was competition for record cabinets. Note it is not a Herzog cabinet to my knowledge. They were sold and Marketed by The Talking Machine Company out of Chicago as "the cabinet that matches". I am not sure who actually built them.

You should acquire the reprint catalog offered on this site. It will clear up the matching cabinet issue and is excellent reference material.