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India has upped their game...
Hand wind Berliner toy:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156738370725?_ ... 1506.m1851
Hardy tinfoil:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156734498186?i ... SwsV9nu3nJ
Victor VI:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156710592456?i ... SwSPBns3IR
Ducrétet Tin Foil:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156738258782?i ... Swza1nvvRQ
Hand wind Victor toy:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156717162245?
itmmeta=01JPQJG86HWCWYV7XNWQ6D367F&hash=item247d121f05:g:iw0AAOSwKfZntLsM
HMV Horn machine:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156723577673?i ... Swn3dnuNAd
Edison polyphone attachment:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156729919242?i ... Sw~WFnu3Wa
Columbia BXP on fancy base with table crane:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156729928147?i ... Sww91nu32U
Is this the end of our hobby?
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Curt A
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Is this the end of our hobby?
"The phonograph is not of any commercial value."
Thomas Alva Edison - Comment to his assistant, Samuel Insull.
"No one needs a Victrola XX, a Perfected Graphophone Type G, or whatever you call those noisy things."
My Wife
Thomas Alva Edison - Comment to his assistant, Samuel Insull.
"No one needs a Victrola XX, a Perfected Graphophone Type G, or whatever you call those noisy things."
My Wife
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Steve
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Re: Is this the end of our hobby?
The HMV and Victor models at least look convincing! In fact the HMV is genuine, I'm almost certain, so no, it is not the end because a seller is offering expectedly "fake" items cheaply which might appear convincing enough to tempt a casual purchase. It is the end because apparently no one is buying anything anymore, including the genuine items!Curt A wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 12:57 pm India has upped their game...
Hand wind Berliner toy:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156738370725?_ ... 1506.m1851
Hardy tinfoil:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156734498186?i ... SwsV9nu3nJ
Victor VI:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156710592456?i ... SwSPBns3IR
Ducrétet Tin Foil:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156738258782?i ... Swza1nvvRQ
Hand wind Victor toy:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156717162245?
itmmeta=01JPQJG86HWCWYV7XNWQ6D367F&hash=item247d121f05:g:iw0AAOSwKfZntLsM
HMV Horn machine:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156723577673?i ... Swn3dnuNAd
Edison polyphone attachment:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156729919242?i ... Sw~WFnu3Wa
Columbia BXP on fancy base with table crane:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156729928147?i ... Sww91nu32U
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OrthoFan
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Re: Is this the end of our hobby?
The Vic. VI looks genuine too. Authentic mfg. plate, crazed finish, plating, etc..
I'm sure there are some Indian collectors with real collections.
I'm sure there are some Indian collectors with real collections.
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TinfoilPhono
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Re: Is this the end of our hobby?
This scammer has been discussed previously. He simply steals pictures online. The most egregious is this listing for a one-of-a-kind prototype that is in the Smithsonian: https://www.ebay.com/itm/156735935707.
I reported it to eBay, with links to the Smithsonian page showing it. They responded that the listing didn't violate their listing practices. So according to eBay, it's okay to offer to sell artifacts in museums.
I reported it to eBay, with links to the Smithsonian page showing it. They responded that the listing didn't violate their listing practices. So according to eBay, it's okay to offer to sell artifacts in museums.
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jamiegramo
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Re: Is this the end of our hobby?
The listings are a scam. The first hand wind Berliner listed is an old repro though I doubt the seller knew that when he poached the pictures.
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Curt A
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Re: Is this the end of our hobby?
Like Abraham Lincoln once said: "Don't trust everything you see on the internet." Especially if it looks too good to be true...
I thought those Crap-O-Phone guys just improved their manufacturing techniques...
I thought those Crap-O-Phone guys just improved their manufacturing techniques...
"The phonograph is not of any commercial value."
Thomas Alva Edison - Comment to his assistant, Samuel Insull.
"No one needs a Victrola XX, a Perfected Graphophone Type G, or whatever you call those noisy things."
My Wife
Thomas Alva Edison - Comment to his assistant, Samuel Insull.
"No one needs a Victrola XX, a Perfected Graphophone Type G, or whatever you call those noisy things."
My Wife
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jamiegramo
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Re: Is this the end of our hobby?
Did Abraham Lincoln really say that? Or did you read it on an Indian ebay auction?Curt A wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:45 pm Like Abraham Lincoln once said: "Don't trust everything you see on the internet." Especially if it looks too good to be true...
I thought those Crap-O-Phone guys just improved their manufacturing techniques...
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epigramophone
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Re: Is this the end of our hobby?
Forget originality and provenance. In the antiques trade generally all that matters today is, does it have "the look".
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Curt A
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Re: Is this the end of our hobby?
Of course he did...jamiegramo wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:55 pmDid Abraham Lincoln really say that? Or did you read it on an Indian ebay auction?Curt A wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:45 pm Like Abraham Lincoln once said: "Don't trust everything you see on the internet." Especially if it looks too good to be true...
I thought those Crap-O-Phone guys just improved their manufacturing techniques...
"The phonograph is not of any commercial value."
Thomas Alva Edison - Comment to his assistant, Samuel Insull.
"No one needs a Victrola XX, a Perfected Graphophone Type G, or whatever you call those noisy things."
My Wife
Thomas Alva Edison - Comment to his assistant, Samuel Insull.
"No one needs a Victrola XX, a Perfected Graphophone Type G, or whatever you call those noisy things."
My Wife
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Sidewinder
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Re: Is this the end of our hobby?
Yes, I believe made in Italy in the 1970's. The Victor version is correct.jamiegramo wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:29 pm The first hand wind Berliner listed is an old repro though I doubt the seller knew that when he poached the pictures.
I would have thought that stealing pictures from other websites and using them to fake "sell" on ebay is a major violation? ebay needs to check their chatbot / ai system as it is is deficient.