Help identifying this bitsa gramophone

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pumpkin
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Help identifying this bitsa gramophone

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I have recently acquired this and am aware that it may not be 100% original ! , not quite an Indian knock off even if the winding handle is long, there is no interior black matt paint but it certainly has been "repaired" in the past. from these pics what can you advise me of its parentage please ? The label stuck to the bottom intrigues me as does the motor. The head is currently off as it's a 1929 vintage and the elbow is a substantial alloy item.
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jamiegramo
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Re: Help identifying this bitsa gramophone

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This appears to be a frankenphone. The base with motor, turntable etc. are HMV possibly from a hornless model, it’s difficult to tell from your photographs. If the HMV transfer is on the side of the machine this would indicate a hornless model. A look at the inside of the base may reveal evidence of an internal horn. The back bracket, tonearm and horn elbow are not HMV. The horn looks old but would not belong to an HMV base of this period.

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Not enough well lit photos the whole machine. Move it into an open space and take some pictures from different angles.

pumpkin
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Re: Help identifying this bitsa gramophone

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I hadn't considered this may have been an internal horn machine. This internal view suggests this , indeed as the back(bracket support panel) appears to have been removed and replaced
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Any offers on what this was and possible date.

Many thanks to all.

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