Victor V-11

[phyi9530]

Hi all, my friend showed me photos of this Victor V-11 phonograph up for auction. But I could not seem to find its information online. Would anyone have any idea as to whether it's authentic and the motor it carries? There does not seem to be any Victor decal on the horn, and it's having an Exhibition reproducer. Thank you.

[VictrolaGuy - Walt]

Look up Victor II or Vic II. That is what the V-11 signifies.

[phyi9530]

Ah I see. Many thanks. I have taken a look online for information relating to V-II. But their brakes are at the front left side of the turntable. This particular machine V-11 has the brake at the right rear side of the turntable. The brake also looks different in style (perhaps a later version) whereby it's hidden under the turntable.

[JerryVan]

Ah I see. Many thanks. I have taken a look online for information relating to V-II. But their brakes are at the front left side of the turntable. This particular machine V-11 has the brake at the right rear side of the turntable. The brake also looks different in style (perhaps a later version) whereby it's hidden under the turntable.

This is a very late Victor II, hence the later style brake, horn elbow, crank, nameplate, etc. It all appears to be legitimate.

[phyi9530]

Thank you Jerry. Do you know a rough estimation of its age/manufacturing year? I read from the Victor-Victrola page that Victor 2 was made up into early 1920s. Would this late model be from the early 1920s? Thank you.

[JerryVan]

Would this late model be from the early 1920s? Thank you.

That would be my guess. Others may have more precise knowledge of when certain changes took place.

[kiwiatlarge]

Based on information in Baumbach's Victor Data Book this could be one of the last Victor II shipped. First shipped in 1923 the Type F had a starting SN of 63431. Less than 3,000 Vic IIs were shipped from 1923 to 1928. Apparently many of these machines were exported overseas and may have been in the Victor warehouse for some time before being shipped. There may be a label underneath with patent dates etc. According to the data book, the Exhibition reproducer is correct, even at this late stage of production.

Michael

[Phono-Phan]

Very Nice!!! Look for a paper label on the bottom of the case. There may be a date on it.

[phyi9530]

Hi all, thanks for your replies. Based on the limited photos, is it possible to tell if the horn is original? I can see from the blurry photos that the decal seems to have been destroyed, but the horn does not appear to have the gold striping as some of the examples of Victor horn shown online. Does this suggest that the horn may not be original Victor's? Apologies if my question is silly, but this is actually my first time trying to buy a Victor outer horn talking machine. The seller also does not provide any information as to the size of the horn.

Given the condition of the talking machine and the motor does run and the reproducer in good shape (save that the gasket would need to be replaced), may I also know what would be the usual market price range for such a machine? I understand that the value is very subjective and would depend on many factors such as the actual condition, the scarcity of machine at a particular locality and the eagerness of seller/buyer, etc., but would like to just have a sense of how much would collectors at large generally prize such a late Victor II.

Thanks so much. Have attached herewith some more photos furnished by the seller.

[JerryVan]

The horn is completely authentic. It's not in pristine condition, but it's not all banged up or rusty either. As to value, check out eBay completed/sold listings for some idea. At a live auction, I would expect to see a hammer price of maybe $750, assuming there's nothing really wrong with it that can't be seen from the images.

The only thing that I would question just a little bit, is the length of the crank. It's the correct style crank, but it might stick out a bit far from the cabinet. Not sure...