Model 14 ... Or is it...

[Zappa6572]

Had a large HMV cabinet for years now and was once told it is a model 14 but nothing about it adds up. The door hinges, lock, winding handle, piano hinge are all gilt but the arm and speed indicator - needle boxes are chrome. Two large double doors to the front are not rounded as are the horn doors. The casters are gilt and the corners fluted and carved very much like a 14. This one however has another set of doors at the back with small holes above them. The motor is a very large single barrel with the spindle having a screwdriver slot. Anyone come across this... I am not certain that this could be made up from parts as it all fits so well. The base of the arm has a ball for adjustments and the arm sits in a black examel base which has gold lines painted on it. Any ideas, anyone....

[JerryVan]

Pictures?

[Jerry B.]

If your HMV Model 14 was anything like a US VV-XIV, the XIV was an early Victrola that was made for many years and went through many changes in both cabinet and mechanism. Without out a photo it is difficult to comment specifically on your question.

Jerry B.

[Orchorsol]

I know almost nothing about these but I do have the Phonoservice Book of the Gramophone, HMV Gramophones 1921 to 1926. Image attached, sorry for the poor quality.

[Zappa6572]

Hi Folks,

Here is the pics of the Model 14? Just to mention it came with a Exhibition Sound Box USA Made Berlin France etc. The No4 I have on is the one I use because it sounds better with newer shellac.

Cheers,

Kit

Any thoughts much appreciated.

[Zappa6572]

If your HMV Model 14 was anything like a US VV-XIV, the XIV was an early Victrola that was made for many years and went through many changes in both cabinet and mechanism. Without out a photo it is difficult to comment specifically on your question.

Jerry B.

Thanks Jerry,

Added a few pictures to clarify.

Cheers,
Kit

[OrthoFan]

Based on the image from the 1921 HMV Gramophone Catalogue, it matches the Model 13 --

However, the description provided in the catalogue states that the hardware is gold plated, but most of the interior hardware shown in the image you posted seems to be nickel plated. (The hinge, lid support and knobs appear to be gold.) Perhaps some parts were swapped/replaced over time?

HMV 13 -- SEE -- https://www.bonhams.com/auction/18273/l ... irca-1926/

Also the one you have does not show the automatic brake, so yours may actually be an earlier version of the model. Does anyone have an HMV Gramophone Catalogue from circa 1915?

OrthoFan

[Zappa6572]

Based on the image from the 1921 HMV Gramophone Catalogue, it matches the Model 13 --
IMG_20260415_142959~2.jpg
However, the description provided in the catalogue states that the hardware is gold plated, but most of the interior hardware shown in the image you posted seems to be nickel plated. (The hinge, lid support and knobs appear to be gold.) Perhaps some parts were swapped/replaced over time?

HMV 13 -- SEE -- https://www.bonhams.com/auction/18273/l ... irca-1926/

Also the one you have does not show the automatic brake, so yours may actually be an earlier version of the model. Does anyone have an HMV Gramophone Catalogue from circa 1915?

OrthoFan

Thanks for the reply. Now that was what I assumed when I first started thinking about this, a swap job. Then a couple of things changed my idea on that. Firstly, the exhibition soundbox - its a early one so that maybe links in eaxactly with what you are suggesting. But then, the doors at the back. The 13 and 14 as far as I know did not have door and holes to the rear. Ans then theres the motor. Its one of the long cylinder types, not the usual motor for a 13 or 14 and the winding handle is guilt. This fits the motor that is present. The spindle screw driver hole suggests early stuff. Somebody did once suggest an export model - maybe...

[Inigo]

It has the semi automatic brake, the little handle of the fork can be seen behind the turntable, the fork body hidden under it.
The post under the tonearm I can't see, though...

[Steve]

I have a 201, which was the last model produced from the unsold / unused cabinet pool with the "14" design, that HMV retrofitted with the updated innards, ie No. 4 soundbox, thin bore tone-arm, saxophone horn etc.

I can categorically state that your machine is not a 14 as the 14 (or 200 with No. 2 soundbox / 201 with No. 4) has a very distinctive serpentine cabinet with the bowed / curved sides and front. It is fully gold-plated and fitted with the No. 34 quadruple spring motor, mounted on a hinged motor-board.

I agree with Orthofan that your gramophone appears to be more like the "13" but it is more likely to be the later, re-numbered model or an export model (see my later post).