Homemade Victor toy?

[guest]

Parts of this look homemade, but it's convincing.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/HANDCRANK-SMALL-TOY ... 2651034876


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[guest]

Holy Smokes !!!!

Almost up to 400 bucks......

[tomwil]

Ultimately went for $1030.

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[fonograph]

Thanks Ortho

Whats the deal with this machine? It looks old and authentic, but I'm suspcious. Anyone ever seen one of these?

[Skihawx]

There is one just like it in the upcoming Brady Jefcoat auction. It could be
an older reproduction?? My guess is that it is not 100 years old.

[bbphonoguy]

This appears to be an obvious fake to me. The ornamental base for the support looks like the cheap medallions one can buy in any craft store, and the brass support itself is obviously a finial from a lamp shade. The base has a poorly done phony oxidized bronze finish...and just out of curiosity, how does one slip a record on over the crank?

[brianu]

There is one just like it in the upcoming Brady Jefcoat auction. It could be
an older reproduction?? My guess is that it is not 100 years old.

that auction (through winstead in north carolina) already happened back in june.

[gramophoneshane]

This appears to be an obvious fake to me. The ornamental base for the support looks like the cheap medallions one can buy in any craft store, and the brass support itself is obviously a finial from a lamp shade. The base has a poorly done phony oxidized bronze finish...and just out of curiosity, how does one slip a record on over the crank?

It doesn't look right to me either. That ornamental medallion & brass support not only look mismatched & new, but they seem far too decorative against the very simple lines of the rest of the machine.
I would expect to see such a decorative support attached to an equally decorative cast base, or at the very least, a shaped base that blended better with the support. By the same token, I would think a plain rectangular base like this would have a simple horn support that complemented the plain design of the turntable support pillar.
I would also expect to see a very basic reproducer more like those found on small cheap childrens machines of the teens & twenties, not one that you'd find on numerous off-brand cabinet & portable gramophones.
The horn even reminds me of the front section of a vintage car horn except normally 20s/30s car horns (that I've seen) didn't have such a narrow throat to the cone. The horn elbow also has a bogged appearance to it. I suppose this could be an old repair, but to me it looks more like an attempt to disguise the join in 2 pieces that were never originally together.

I think if the $1030 winning bid is legit, the new owner is going to be very disappointed with his old toy.

[fonograph]

Well, it didn't look right to me either (although I think it's cute) If it came from the Jefcoat collection there is a 99% chance is homemade. Brady (I know him pretty good) is a one-handed MASTER craftsman. He could fix a machine, but he might use plumbing fixtures, JB Weld, bailing wire, etc.