Need help with Victor VE 8-30x motor

[Victrolaman]

I just acquired a nice VE credenza 8-30x
I made a new temporary cord for it to test. I pulled the motor board
And inspected the electric motor looks ok the wires seem ok I don't see any
Bare wires
I looked at the diagram under the motor board and see the oil points
Other than that what else should I do to be safe and also do I need to adjust anything
I spun the turntable and the round wheel of the electric motor spins
Freely and quiet
This is my first Electrola and I don't want to cause damage
I'm sure someone here has one and knows about the electric motors and what I need to
Look for and adjust
Any help I'd be great full
I will post some pics later tonight

[Uncle Vanya]

Just lubricate as per the diagram. Use a good, light "Electric Motor" or "Turbine" oil, such as is provided in the hardware store mainstay "Zoom Spout Oiler".

"Marvel Mystery Oil? is "Honestly So", and is also a suitable lubricant.

"Three-In-One oil" or sewing machine oil tends to gum under the conditions of heat found in these electric motors.

Whilst Vaseline (Petrolatum) is an adequate lubricant for the spiral drive gears in a spring driven Victrola motor, like "Three-In-One" it will gum under the conditions found under the motor board of an electric machine. A good clear red Aluminum Complex grease, easily obtainable in the automotive section at Wal-Mart. is a better choice to lubricate the governor gear. Heavy gear oil, like a 140 weight rear end lube will also work well in this application if you happen to have a bottle to hand.

The governor friction leather on these machines often becomes glazed. It is usually a god idea to scuff the surface friction surface of this leather with an emery board which you can probably obtain from your mother, wife, or sister's cosmetic kit, and then put a drop or two of Neet's Foot oil on the leather to soften it. This helps to greatly quiet the motor.

These induction disc motors will occasionally hum. This hum is usually caused by one or another of the coils being a bit loose on their pole-pieces. A couple of cardboard shims will usually remedy this defect.

[Victrolaman]

Should I change any of the wireing? It looks ok
The little plug that goes under that little block of wood under there which the wires go to the motor
Looks ok but I may change those as it looks easy to redo
I'm so afraid it's going to burn up lol
Or get a shock
But a made a new cord so I'm hoping it will be fine
Do I need to clean off that silver wheel in the motor?
It looks shiny but has some dirty spots
So other than oiling where it says the wiring should be fine?
I don't see any broken wires but they ate hard and stiff
Sorry for all thd questions it's just my first electric machine
I apreciate everyone's help

[gramophone78]

I think you will find all the info you need in our "Tips, Tricks & Technical Info" section. I believe these motors have been discussed in great detail. Hope that helps & good luck .

[antique1973]

[quote="Uncle Vanya"]Just lubricate as per the diagram. Use a good, light "Electric Motor" or "Turbine" oil, such as is provided in the hardware store mainstay "Zoom Spout Oiler".

"Marvel Mystery Oil? is "Honestly So", and is also a suitable lubricant.

"Three-In-One oil" or sewing machine oil tends to gum under the conditions of heat found in these electric motors.

Whilst Vaseline (Petrolatum) is an adequate lubricant for the spiral drive gears in a spring driven Victrola motor, like "Three-In-One" it will gum under the conditions found under the motor board of an electric machine. A good clear red Aluminum Complex grease, easily obtainable in the automotive section at Wal-Mart. is a better choice to lubricate the governor gear. Heavy gear oil, like a 140 weight rear end lube will also work well in this application if you happen to have a bottle to hand.

The governor friction leather on these machines often becomes glazed. It is usually a god idea to scuff the surface friction surface of this leather with an emery board which you can probably obtain from your mother, wife, or sister's cosmetic kit, and then put a drop or two of Neet's Foot oil on the leather to soften it. This helps to greatly quiet the motor.

These induction disc motors will occasionally hum. This hum is usually caused by one or another of the coils being a bit loose on their pole-pieces. A couple of cardboard shims will usually remedy this defect.[/quote]



Speaking of light oils for governors and gears, I found an excellent oil called Ultra Lube. They have it at Home Depot and Lowes seems to carry it too. Its very slick and adheres to metal due to the molecular polarity. I had a squeal that would not go away from a governor pad but this stuff put it "to rest" permanently.

[Uncle Vanya]

Should I change any of the wireing? It looks ok
The little plug that goes under that little block of wood under there which the wires go to the motor
Looks ok but I may change those as it looks easy to redo
I'm so afraid it's going to burn up lol
Or get a shock
But a made a new cord so I'm hoping it will be fine
Do I need to clean off that silver wheel in the motor?
It looks shiny but has some dirty spots
So other than oiling where it says the wiring should be fine?
I don't see any broken wires but they ate hard and stiff
Sorry for all thd questions it's just my first electric machine
I apreciate everyone's help

The aluminum disc upis fine as it is. The original wire is a not entirely safe, though. i'd suggest t,hat you replace it if it shows ANY frayed spots! Or places where thr rubber insulation is cracking. I have a wire that I use which is perfect when dyed with a little green RIt. Let me know if you decide that you need any of it.

If the wiring is questionable, you could unplug it whe it is ot in use or plug it in to a fused recepticle.

[Uncle Vanya]

Should I change any of the wireing? It looks ok
The little plug that goes under that little block of wood under there which the wires go to the motor
Looks ok but I may change those as it looks easy to redo
I'm so afraid it's going to burn up lol
Or get a shock
But a made a new cord so I'm hoping it will be fine
Do I need to clean off that silver wheel in the motor?
It looks shiny but has some dirty spots
So other than oiling where it says the wiring should be fine?
I don't see any broken wires but they ate hard and stiff
Sorry for all thd questions it's just my first electric machine
I apreciate everyone's help

The aluminum disc upis fine as it is. The original wire is a not entirely safe, though. i'd suggest t,hat you replace it if it shows ANY frayed spots! Or places where thr rubber insulation is cracking. I have a wire that I use which is perfect when dyed with a little green RIt. Let me know if you decide that you need any of it.

If the wiring is questionable, you could unplug it whe it is ot in use or plug it in to a fused recepticle.

[Victrolaman]

Thanks for everyones help. To test the motor I unhooked the little plug under the motorola board that also controls the switch, and made a plu and hooked it to the motor directly to test.
Plugged it in and it works perfect, not even any hum, perfectly silent.
I will replace all the wires I can remove and replace easily, the little ones tha go to the coils I will leave. But this was to test the machine more than anything.
I have a guy that restores old electrical lamps and stuff and he has the old looking cloth covered wire, that's new but looks old so I will get some and require the whole thing. I will post a few pics of the machine I think tomorrow.
Thanks for everyone's help.

[wjw]

Wonderful that the thing has no hum. Most do. Other than the power cord, which must be re-done, I plug it in a power strip that is OFF when I am not using the machine.

[Victrolaman]

I agree I never leave anything that I have that's vintage plugged in only when it's in use and I'm close by, even restored. Better safe than sorry