Late Victor Horn machines with Victrola Parts

[USlakeside]

I couldn't find a post in the TMF archives, but I seem to recall one about Victor horn machines using some Victrola elements. I know that in the last years of the outside horn models, we see this. Any info online that people know about? Thanks

[Jerry B.]

Yes, I believe the very late horn machines were built with motors and parts that were current with the Victrola models offered. I would suspect many were built for export markets. I have seen Victor V's with cabinet construction very much like a Victrola VI and sharing the same motor, brake, etc. Jerry

[USlakeside]

I just found (a few blocks from my apartment of all places) this Victor III with late fittings. It doesn't have a bullet brake, just a simple lever. Uses a slip in elbow, has an aluminum id tag. It's sitting on what I think is just a Victrola table tob cabinate, with a recessed top to fit a Victor. The recession is square and fits the whole set up. I am wondering if there is a chance that this could have been sold as an outfit this way? The patinas match up nicely around the moulding on the base of the machine and the top of the cabinate. The newspaper inserted to catch oil is from 1960, and I know it was together like this at least from that time. So if it uses Victrola fittings, maybe it would have been sold with this stand as a kind of 'modern' looking outside horn machine towards the last days of outside horn machines?

[USlakeside]

What I didn't expressly state is that the cabinate clearly looks Victrola-ish, not like early cabinets that match outside horn machines. Also the motor is also very similar to a Victrola style. The crank is bent, like the S shaped Victrola cranks

[gramophone78]

As a late mahogany Victor 5 owner.....your pics and description looks right to me.

[USlakeside]

Gramophoneshane78, do you also have a victrola-like cabinate? Could you share pictures?

[gramophone78]

Sorry, I can get to my pics right now. However, I have posted pics on the other forum and on here as well somewhere... . Mine looks like an over sized Vic. 5 but in mahogany. All the components are from a V-V 16 and with large slip-in elbow. The data plate is aluminum. I would check Mooperator's forum.

[phonogfp]

So if it uses Victrola fittings, maybe it would have been sold with this stand as a kind of 'modern' looking outside horn machine towards the last days of outside horn machines?

I don't believe the record cabinet is a Victor product. I have a 1917 catalog of external-horn Victors and no record cabinet is shown. I've never seen a Victor advertisement for these cabinets, but other cabinet manufacturers advertised them.

George P.

[Jerry B.]

You have a very interesting late Victor III. Many of the parts appear to be Victrola related such as the tone arm. I think George is correct when he writes that the cabinet is not a Victor product. I don't think he is suggesting that it was not intended for your Victor III. It was just made by another manufacturer. I think it's a very nice outfit and it all belongs together. Jerry

[USlakeside]

Thanks everyone. The 1960 newspaper is in Polish, but a Polish newspaper printed in New York. The serial is 52543.