Brunswick Panatrope P-9 or AR 813

[Skihawx]

I have not see any Victor machines with the AR-813 radio panel. I sure have seen
a lot of Brunswick's!

[Skihawx]

Bob,
I looked at the picture again and you can definitely tell the Jensen is a replacement. It is sitting up on wood blocks that do not match the rest of the interior. So you think it could have had the earlier half-wave amplifier too?? And a 9-25 or 9-55 could become the centerpiece
of an "Electrola" collection:-)
Jeff

[Kirkwood]

Not to insult your intelligence, but you do realize that the Brunswick you mentioned on eBay is missing the legs and stretcher base. You may be able to source those parts from one of the dealers or may be able to fashion something reasonably close from a junker piece of used furniture. Here is a pic of a similar Brunswick (that was refinished and they stopped part way). This is for your reference if you need it.

[Uncle Vanya]

Not to insult your intelligence, but you do realize that the Brunswick you mentioned on eBay is missing the legs and stretcher base. You may be able to source those parts from one of the dealers or may be able to fashion something reasonably close from a junker piece of used furniture. Here is a pic of a similar Brunswick (that was refinished and they stopped part way). This is for your reference if you need it.

Poppycock!

The machine in question is a P-9 offered by a California eBay seller which went off unsold on 4-11.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1926-Brunswick- ... 7675.l2557
This machine most certainly has its legs and strecher.

Now, as to the amplifier, well this machine may well have its original. I was commenting on the rather 'catch-as-catch-can" nature of the P-9 series in general, whiich cabinet appears to have been used to house a variety of different mechanisms.

Touché regarding the use of Electrola, Jeff. I think that I must get a glass of cold water from the refrigidaire.

[need4art]

Well to bring everyone up to date-the Ar-813 has certainly suffered "legitis" and had them removed at some time.
The seller is about an hour away and if I already had a unit and needed stuff it would be a good buy. Having legs made and carved to match by the guy I work with on some projects would run close to a $1000 and he is being kind. So that's I think a pass unless the group thinks its worth it. I think that at $300 I could pick up the unit.

The P-9 yes the speaker has got to be a replacement-looking at the information and schmatic tells me that. I wonder if on this amp. if it is as important as it would be on a Victor RE-45-and what the odds would be to find the correct one.

at this point I know just enough to be dangerous.
Abe

[Skihawx]

I don't think any of the windup Brunswicks with the AR-813 or even the Radiola III-A are that interesting. I had a hard time selling Vitor Alhambra I back when times were good. The Brunswick AR-813 units turn up a lot. I think the P-9 on e-Bay is was probably put back together at some point. That may be the reason the pick up is gold and the rest of the hardware is bronze. I don't want to pick apart someone else's machine but I also know the correct amp, if it indeed needs the Crowell type amp, would be rather difficult to find. And the correct type 100 speaker with the mounting hardware was only used on the Cromwell and most of the Hyperions. The simple amp and low tech speaker may explain the rather simple cabinet.

Kirk, is the picture you posted also a P-9??? I am not up on all the various cabinet styles for the Brunswicks.

[Uncle Vanya]

I don't think any of the windup Brunswicks with the AR-813 or even the Radiola III-A are that interesting. I had a hard time selling Vitor Alhambra I back when times were good. The Brunswick AR-813 units turn up a lot. I think the P-9 on e-Bay is was probably put back together at some point. That may be the reason the pick up is gold and the rest of the hardware is bronze. I don't want to pick apart someone else's machine but I also know the correct amp, if it indeed needs the Crowell type amp, would be rather difficult to find. And the correct type 100 speaker with the mounting hardware was only used on the Cromwell and most of the Hyperions. The simple amp and low tech speaker may explain the rather simple cabinet.

Kirk, is the picture you posted also a P-9??? I am not up on all the various cabinet styles for the Brunswicks.

That picture appears to be of a Pre-1926 Ultona/ radiola machine, oh Brunswick did tend to re-use cabinets. After speaking with the owner of the P-9, I suspect that the machine may well have originally been the four tube Tomcat, as there are no additional mounting holes for the amplifier.

Now, as far as the rarity of that speaker, I don't know. I have at least one in the cellar back home. wasn't it also used in the Radiola 30? If do, then I have two, one from a Cromwell and another from the Radiola 30.

[Kirkwood]

Well, I really should have been more specific when I posted the pic this morning. When Abe mentioned that he was seriously considering the AR-813 and it was on eBay, I took a peek. When I saw that the one posted was "leg-less", I felt that----since he was asking for input---I should let him know what I could. The cabinet I have shown is a Brunswick Panatrope "Hampton", an acoustical machine that re-used the cabinet of an AR-813. So Uncle Vanya, you are entirely correct that, in this case, Brunswick did use up cabinets for other later machines. Closer examination of ths particular Hampton showed that the interior compartment was notched for the various dividers, and the back had the cut-aways for the battery and speaker driver access panels. Brunswick sprayed the entire interior a dark coffee color to mask the modifications, although normally it would only be seen when the motor was removed for servicing. The larger wooden horn and pull-out record drawers hid most of it. There is an earlier discussion about the Hampton on here from a few years ago.

Honestly, I know nothing at all about the P-9 Brunswicks. But I confess, I would like to! What we need is a Victor Data Book type publication for Brunswicks. From time to time, I hear rumors about such a book in the works, but so far I haven't seen it available. I suspect that Brunswick was not nearly as consistent and document-oriented as, say, Victor had been. But maybe I'm wrong...