Victrola 88663 - recording date?

[Lucius1958]

I've been beating my brains out trying to find out the recording date for Victrola 12 inch Red Seal #88663 (HMV matrix #Cc1891-IV): "Song of the volga Boatmen", sung by Feodor Chaliapin. EDVR doesn't list it; 78discography doesn't have the recording date; and there doesn't seem to be a decent discography for HMV.

Anybody have a decent recording date for this?

Bill

[Henry]

According to Moses (Julian Morton Moses, "Collectors' Guide to American Recordings 1895-1925," p. 45), 88663 was issued on Red Seal in the period 1923-25. Moses lists it in a group of recordings "Most of [which] were pressed from imported masters which, in a few cases, soon gave way to domestic replacements under the same numbers," but Moses does not include 88663 among "a group of his 1909-1912 European recordings in Russian [which] were also given catalogue numbers in 1924 though they did not appear under them in this country." However, this source (http://www.russian-records.com/search.p ... t=1&page=5 ; see sixth item on list!) gives 88663 recording date as 9-10-22 (i.e., Oct. 9, 1922). Note that the matrix number, as well as the catalogue number, are the ones you cite. This may be as close as you get. HTH.

The citation to "www.russian-records.com" came from the Chaliapin entry in the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feodor_Chaliapin . Scroll down to the bottom of the page for the citation.

Check here to listen and determine whether this is the same recording that you seek: http://www.russian-records.com/details. ... ge_id=9480 . Apparently he recorded it more than once!

[Wolfe]

There's an online Chaliapin discography that has that matrix as been recorded in 1911.

[Lucius1958]

According to Moses (Julian Morton Moses, "Collectors' Guide to American Recordings 1895-1925," p. 45), 88663 was issued on Red Seal in the period 1923-25. Moses lists it in a group of recordings "Most of [which] were pressed from imported masters which, in a few cases, soon gave way to domestic replacements under the same numbers," but Moses does not include 88663 among "a group of his 1909-1912 European recordings in Russian [which] were also given catalogue numbers in 1924 though they did not appear under them in this country." However, this source (http://www.russian-records.com/search.p ... t=1&page=5 ; see sixth item on list!) gives 88663 recording date as 9-10-22 (i.e., Oct. 9, 1922). Note that the matrix number, as well as the catalogue number, are the ones you cite. This may be as close as you get. HTH.

The citation to "www.russian-records.com" came from the Chaliapin entry in the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feodor_Chaliapin . Scroll down to the bottom of the page for the citation.

Check here to listen and determine whether this is the same recording that you seek: http://www.russian-records.com/details. ... ge_id=9480 . Apparently he recorded it more than once!

Thanks! I'll go with the 1922 dating.

For some reason, the link on Wikipedia gave me a 404; but your second link works.

Bill

[Harold Aherne]

The date of 9 Oct. 1922 is correct. According to the CHARM database, it was recorded in Hayes with G. W. Byng as the conductor. Takes 1 & 2 were cut on 25 Sep. 1922 and were apparently not used. Takes 3, 4 & 5 were cut on 9 Oct. and take 4 was mastered on HMV DB.105 (in addition to the Victor).

Matrix numbers with the Bb or Cc prefix generally indicate a Gramophone Company recording done in the UK between 1921 and 1930 (Bb for 10", Cc for 12", Yy for Zonophone).

-HA

[beaumonde]

Doesn't anyone here have the wonderful 2 volume-discography of Victor Red Seals (to 1930) by John Bolig? Well, I'm not at home at the moment, so can't check mine...but will check later.

[Henry]

Um, no, not at those prices: http://www.mainspringpress.com/book_RS1.html

The wiki is more affordable (for me).

[Henry]

According to Moses (Julian Morton Moses, "Collectors' Guide to American Recordings 1895-1925," p. 45), 88663 was issued on Red Seal in the period 1923-25. Moses lists it in a group of recordings "Most of [which] were pressed from imported masters which, in a few cases, soon gave way to domestic replacements under the same numbers," but Moses does not include 88663 among "a group of his 1909-1912 European recordings in Russian [which] were also given catalogue numbers in 1924 though they did not appear under them in this country." However, this source (http://www.russian-records.com/search.p ... t=1&page=5 ; see sixth item on list!) gives 88663 recording date as 9-10-22 (i.e., Oct. 9, 1922). Note that the matrix number, as well as the catalogue number, are the ones you cite. This may be as close as you get. HTH.

The citation to "www.russian-records.com" came from the Chaliapin entry in the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feodor_Chaliapin . Scroll down to the bottom of the page for the citation.

Check here to listen and determine whether this is the same recording that you seek: http://www.russian-records.com/details. ... ge_id=9480 . Apparently he recorded it more than once!

Somehow, mysteriously, the citations to the russian-records site weren't working for me today; they were coming up with a different recording altogether! Now they seem to be working again, but in case they don't, try this: http://www.russian-records.com/search.p ... ords=88663