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Yes I also had a double spring Heineman that I worked on, The spring barrels were huge. I had alot difficulty finding springs for it. I warned the guy take care of the springs.gramophone-georg wrote:It's possibly out of a "Cecilian" (Montgomery Ward) console that had one of those mile- long cranks as it had record storage on each side. I spent forever sourcing a spring for one of these years ago. I think it's a Heinemann variant, and this was likely used in other machines like Silvertones as well.
Please assist with the identification of motor No. 169
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Re: Please assist with the identification of motor No. 169
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Re: Please assist with the identification of motor No. 169
Good day, De Soto Frank, I'm in south Africa. I put a sketchy bit about our gramophones under British and European machines for you. I hope that it of interest to other readers.
Back to the Heinemann. I haven't managed to come up with anything better than you've offered on the subject. Not knowing in which gramophone this gramophone was used. (Somehow "Parlophone Grand" presenting itself to me - but why I don't know) Did I have a boyhood view of the innards of a Parlophone?
Anyway (now please don't hesitate to contact me if I'm upsetting you) I thought that if I didn't find an original gramophone that needs this motor, which as you can see, is a beautiful piece of engineering, then I'd build myself a machine with this motor at its heart that would compete with EMG for performance. And I would use this machine for my Sunday afternoon listening (classical 78s only). I would strive to make this machine a celebration of the ideas embodied in the designs of the best gramophones that have crossed my workbench. I might use (for instance) polystrene for the horn and/or damping, or nylon, teflon or polyethylene for a diaphragm.
The machine would be a one-off prototype and not a "look-alike". I would enjoy this job immensely, but it would give me less pleasure than finding the motor a gramophone that badly needs it.I would like to offer all have contributed to this topic the opportunity to offer me something that I might need in exchange for the motor, so that you or a friend could restore an original gramophone to working order. I have been looking for a complete Victor/Zonophone "Toy", "00" or "Spiral 1" double or single spring motor (all apparently names of the same basic motor configuration) or a set of all parts except the motor frame for one such motor. I'm also in need of 2 HMV/Victor No. 4 soundboxes with brass diaphragm housings, spares for these, and Exhibition soundbox rubber couplings and stylus springs. Or another good motor to replace the one I would have used in my prototype? Or what have you. Further communications in this regard should be by e-mail, I believe.
Back to the Heinemann. I haven't managed to come up with anything better than you've offered on the subject. Not knowing in which gramophone this gramophone was used. (Somehow "Parlophone Grand" presenting itself to me - but why I don't know) Did I have a boyhood view of the innards of a Parlophone?
Anyway (now please don't hesitate to contact me if I'm upsetting you) I thought that if I didn't find an original gramophone that needs this motor, which as you can see, is a beautiful piece of engineering, then I'd build myself a machine with this motor at its heart that would compete with EMG for performance. And I would use this machine for my Sunday afternoon listening (classical 78s only). I would strive to make this machine a celebration of the ideas embodied in the designs of the best gramophones that have crossed my workbench. I might use (for instance) polystrene for the horn and/or damping, or nylon, teflon or polyethylene for a diaphragm.
The machine would be a one-off prototype and not a "look-alike". I would enjoy this job immensely, but it would give me less pleasure than finding the motor a gramophone that badly needs it.I would like to offer all have contributed to this topic the opportunity to offer me something that I might need in exchange for the motor, so that you or a friend could restore an original gramophone to working order. I have been looking for a complete Victor/Zonophone "Toy", "00" or "Spiral 1" double or single spring motor (all apparently names of the same basic motor configuration) or a set of all parts except the motor frame for one such motor. I'm also in need of 2 HMV/Victor No. 4 soundboxes with brass diaphragm housings, spares for these, and Exhibition soundbox rubber couplings and stylus springs. Or another good motor to replace the one I would have used in my prototype? Or what have you. Further communications in this regard should be by e-mail, I believe.