Edison Triumph newbie questions.

[phonojim]

Actually, I misstated the situation somewhat. The governors themselves are interchangeable; it is the control arms that are not. You can't install a 2 pad swivel type control arm in place of a single pad control arm because of a projection on the motor frame that is present where the earlier single pad control arm is used but will interfere with the later 2 pad style. This projection was removed from the motor frame when the control arms were changed.
I'm basing my observations on a very limited sample of 2 machines which I own, both of which I have torn down to the bare frame and rebuilt, so I can't be certain that my conclusions are worth anything. My D has a 3 ball governor and the D-2 has a 4. The D has a rigid control arm with a single pad and the D-2 has a differently shaped control arm with a 2 pad swiveling yoke. I'll try to post some pictures later if I can get decent ones without having to tear things apart. Pictures are worth about a million words in this case.

Jim

[pughphonos]

The D has a rigid control arm with a single pad and the D-2 has a differently shaped control arm with a 2 pad swiveling yoke. I'll try to post some pictures later if I can get decent ones without having to tear things apart. Pictures are worth about a million words in this case.

Jim

Thank you, Jim! This is more along my line of interest than Clay's; I appreciate your willingness to post photos.

Ralph

[Phonolair]

Hi Clay
Your going to have problems with this 2 /4 minute setup. What you are referring to as the ring on the right side of the threaded rod (feed screw collar) Is not correct for a Triumph D and up. Its for a earlier set up that has support bearings on both ends of the mandrel, model A and B. The D and up has the left and center bearing, no right bearing. This feed screw collar you have should fit where your center bearing is. It's possible other parts are not correct for your Triumph D also. If you are able to disassemble the whole 2/4 minute set up it will be marked on the left end of the threaded rod and the belt pulley also which model and machine this 2/4 minute setup is for.

Best Regards, Larry

[FloridaClay]

Hi Clay
. . . If you are able to disassemble the whole 2/4 minute set up it will be marked on the left end of the threaded rod and the belt pulley also which model and machine this 2/4 minute setup is for.

Best Regards, Larry

Both are marked "D." There are 2 pins on the end of the feed screw that mate with the clutch. I note that somebody has filed a fairly deep grove in the mandrel shaft approximately where it passes through the center bearing. Not sure what that's about.

Clay

[FloridaClay]

Here is a view beneath the bedplate. The motor runs well and quietly and I don't see anything obviously amiss. I do note that the motor has a serial number of 39,117. Would the serial number on the motor and the serial number on the top of the bedplate have originally been the same?

Clay

[Phonolair]

Clay the clutch and belt pulley you have will be correct with the D mark on it as they are the same for Homes and Triumphs. On the end of your feed screw where you found the D there will also be at least one other letter. In your case it should be a T for Triumph, a H would mean Home.
It's normal for the serial number on the motor and the bedplate to not match.
Best Regards, Larry

[phonojim]

I took some pictures this afternoon to show the differences between the 3 and 4 ball governor equipped machines. The three ball governor is on a Model D and the 4 ball is on a Model D2. In the first picture you will see the 2 different governor control linkages with the 2 pad yoke style on the left and the single pad style on the right. The next picture shows the frame used with the single pad linkage and the last shows the frame used with the yoke style linkage. Note the stud on the frame casting for the single pad (earlier) linkage which is not there for the yoke style(later)linkage.

Jim

[pughphonos]

Jim, very fascinating; thanks for taking the trouble to photograph and explain. Raises the question of how the two-pad device would have been superior to the single one--you'd assume that Edison's people had their reasons. At any rate, my machine has that protruding stud and therefore I can't go for the two-pad, as much as I'd like to try it.

[FloridaClay]

Being a newbie at Triumphs and seeing that the 2/4 minute setup is a bit tricky and that some parts are needed, I think I am going to send the top works out to be put right. Probably either to George V. or Wyatt's--unless someone can recommend someone else who is particularly good at this work and turns jobs around in a reasonable amount of time and cost. In the meanwhile I am slowly slogging through getting the smashed case reassembled and its weathered finish cleaned up. Fortunately much of the case damage is in the form of it being pulled apart at joints, so it should be presentable when done.

Clay

[FloridaClay]

I now have the cabinet lid reassembled and looking pretty good. One question with respect to that. On one end of the inside of the lid was a fairly large, thick U-shaped piece of pretty new wood, meant to reinforce that end I guess--perhaps to buttress an earlier repair. There was no similar piece of wood on the other end. However, in looking at some on-line pictures I see some Triumph lids appear to have had something almost identical on both ends of the inside of the lid from the beginning and others don't. What is the story on these?

Clay