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De Soto Frank wrote:Well, uh, let me say this about thaat...


The #66 and #55 motors look very robust and strong, on the lines of Victor, B-wick, and Edison.


The smaller ( and cheaper ) "pillar & plate" motors, such as I have in my Pathéphone VII are not so inspiring. ( appears to be the "Flyer" motor at the bottom, judging from the brochure illustrations )



Perhaps I wouldn't be so down on them if I hadn't invested many hours and more than a few bucks in the Heinemann pillar & plate job in my Pathéphone, and the SOB still wont' play steady or pull it's way through a single 10" record (yes, I'm using new needles, and appropriate 1920's records.)

Thanks for sharing the brochure, Uncle Vanya - neat graphics, and interesting product line.

Could you post pictures of your Heineman motor. I am curious to see if its like the one I have which I suspect is earlier and a little noisey.

I swapped out the turntable gear (fiber gear), and changed the bearings. I greased all gears since this helped quiet it down. I think the intermediate gear may be worn and could be the culpret. There are so many possible areas of wear that could be the problem.

When I acquired my machine, the fiber gear was worn in and there are wear marks on the teeth of the intermediate gears and the bottom spindle gear.
Also, the holes in the bottom plate may have worn out causing a little play in gears shaft pins.

I can say the governor bearings on these motors can be a pain, they are the off center hole bearings which have to be precisely lined up.

I would think when these motors were new they were very quiet, but thats just my speculation.

Here is a motor that phonographs.org has....it supposedly a n.o.s. motor.

http://www.phonographs.org/store/produc ... d5qhi21ae1

Give me a day or two to un-earth the beast, and I will post some pictures of the motor.


Your comment about the governor shaft running in bearings where the hole is drilled off-center is interesting... I certainly remember reading about that type in Eric Reiss's book; I wonder if that's a feature of the Heinemann "Flyer Motor" in my Pathéphone that I might have over looked...

De Soto Frank wrote:Give me a day or two to un-earth the beast, and I will post some pictures of the motor.


Your comment about the governor shaft running in bearings where the hole is drilled off-center is interesting... I certainly remember reading about that type in Eric Reiss's book; I wonder if that's a feature of the Heinemann "Flyer Motor" in my Pathéphone that I might have over looked...

Well, as I recollect, the "Flyer" on my Edison P-1 had eccentric bearings…


Bill

Is this a Heineman or something else. Looks a lot like a 44 or 77 but not quite. Earlier or later than those shown in the brochure?

This is from my Mandel. Thanks! Cliff

I'm going to venture that this is not a Heineman motor; most Heineman motors were had "Heineman - the motor of quality" cast into the frame / plates somewhere... ?


But I've been wrong before...

De Soto Frank wrote:I'm going to venture that this is not a Heineman motor; most Heineman motors were had "Heineman - the motor of quality" cast into the frame / plates somewhere... ?

This motor is lacking any makers identifying marks. It is fairly easy to work on except for the nuts and bolts used to secure the springs to the spring barrels. A bit of a pain trying to hold the end of the spring over the hole in the spring barrel while inserting the bolt and screwing on the nut. I have three of these motors, 2 from Mandel phonographs and the third from eBay. All have broken springs - broken at the outside ends - so I'm making new ends and putting them back together. Seems to be working.

Cliff

I may be wrong but think this is a earlier Meisselbach motor, I think Meisselbach was bought out by Heineman. Much of the motor is similar to Heineman, except the governor weights and the end bearings for the governor.

I like noisy motors up to a point. Sort of dates the machines somewhat. LOL

In 25 years of collecting, never bought a machine for it's fidelity.
Just saying....
blizz