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EarlH wrote:That is really a nice looking machine. The way they put the glass in the door is very clever. I wonder if that 10-70 I have is a Badger conversion. It would make sense, since it came from Minneapolis. It's a wonder that the wallbox stayed with it. Is there much to the inside of the wallbox?

Earl,

Best of luck with your 10-70. You do beautiful refinishing work! Here's a few photos of the inside of the coin box.

Gene

Great Victor 10-50! I am happy for you!

Congratulations!

Keith

She's a beauty Gene - you need a bigger house now

Beautiful machine, Gene. I'm surprised that it doesn't take silver dollars; after all, they don't call it "Bucks" County for nothing! That's the high-rent district down there.

gemering wrote:

EarlH wrote:That is really a nice looking machine. The way they put the glass in the door is very clever. I wonder if that 10-70 I have is a Badger conversion. It would make sense, since it came from Minneapolis. It's a wonder that the wallbox stayed with it. Is there much to the inside of the wallbox?

Earl,

Best of luck with your 10-70. You do beautiful refinishing work! Here's a few photos of the inside of the coin box.

Gene

Gene,

Well thanks. It's really surprising how the glass in the door attracts your attention to that thing. And that's of course what they wanted. It's funny that the accumulator will only count to "Five" on yours. My Mom is 84 now and I had a Seeburg wallbox a few years back. My Dad and her had a beer joint back 50-60 years ago now and that place had an installation in it it a jukebox that just played the next record. I showed her how on those coin pianos it will keep track of twenty coins but it will still keep taking your money. And she said "Well yeah! Those guys would get drunk and they knew how many records they were away from "Their" song and so they would just put the nickels in to get to it. Never mind that they were doing the same thing at ten other tables." So they took in more money than you'd think if they were in the right location.

I had a 5 cent coin slide a long time ago that said Badger on the one side of the coin slide but it was from a piano. There was a lot of coin piano activity going on in Milwaukee and they might have done some of those conversions as well. That wallbox of yours is much more complicated on the inside than I was expecting. Thanks for posting those pictures. On the one's I've had and seen for pianos, they just have a simple lever that the coin strikes a pad on and it makes a momentary connection in the circuit. I'll post some pictures of the accumulator that came in that Electrola I have, it's much more like what a coin piano has in it. The one you have is a lot like the really early Seeburg accumulator. You'll have to convert yours to quarters and then you can get some of your money back eventually! Haha!

You have a really nice example there, that's for sure. And as heavy as those damned things are, it's much less than a piano and I'm sure that's what those route operators were thinking. Plus, you didn't have to tune it and keep it regulated. And, the business owner had to keep the music loaded. With the pianos, the route owner usually had to change the music every week. Take care now, Earl.

Henry wrote:Beautiful machine, Gene. I'm surprised that it doesn't take silver dollars; after all, they don't call it "Bucks" County for nothing! That's the high-rent district down there.

Henry

I'm in Upper Bucks, Lower Bucks is the HIGH RENT district.

The background on this 10-50; I bought it about 15 years ago from the original owners family, it was used in their restaurant in Georgia. They didn't know anymore than that and I don't remember how I got the lead on it, but at that time I was like a bloodhound searching out all these large ornate consoles and would go just about anywhere to find them.

It took a lot of work getting it to operate, as the pot metal changer parts were shot as usual, the accumulator used pot metal also and required some finessing to make it work and the pneumatics were shot. The pot metal parts were remade by a couple of machinist friends and the pneumatics were rebuild by Dave Heitz.


Earl - The accumulator will count to 12, the max records you should load on the hanger, not sure why the coinbox had 5 listed on it. Probably just a generic coinbox that could be used on any mechanism. The accumulator is Wurlitzer, I was told from a Nickelodeon circa 1910. Badger probably bought up a surplus stock.



Chuck

Interesting discussion, guys!.........& beautiful machine!

Dale

ChuckA wrote:

Henry wrote:Beautiful machine, Gene. I'm surprised that it doesn't take silver dollars; after all, they don't call it "Bucks" County for nothing! That's the high-rent district down there.

Henry

I'm in Upper Bucks, Lower Bucks is the HIGH RENT district.

The background on this 10-50; I bought it about 15 years ago from the original owners family, it was used in their restaurant in Georgia. They didn't know anymore than that and I don't remember how I got the lead on it, but at that time I was like a bloodhound searching out all these large ornate consoles and would go just about anywhere to find them.

It took a lot of work getting it to operate, as the pot metal changer parts were shot as usual, the accumulator used pot metal also and required some finessing to make it work and the pneumatics were shot. The pot metal parts were remade by a couple of machinist friends and the pneumatics were rebuild by Dave Heitz.


Earl - The accumulator will count to 12, the max records you should load on the hanger, not sure why the coinbox had 5 listed on it. Probably just a generic coinbox that could be used on any mechanism. The accumulator is Wurlitzer, I was told from a Nickelodeon circa 1910. Badger probably bought up a surplus stock.


Chuck

OOps, sorry Gene. I know the closer you get to Lehigh the cheaper it becomes.

Interesting that Werner, the inventor of this coin-op device, was located in Easton. Here's the patent info:

http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageNum=0& ... %2F1641212

What Chuck, you're not in the rich section---Darn, I was going to ask to borrow money from you. When I reluctantly had to let the 10-50 go that I got from you and a Credenza I had, the gentleman that purchased them had a professional mover get them---I was surprised at the good job they did. The buyer told me he plays the 10-50 more then the Credenza. I can understand that with the power of the 10-50.

Henry,

Thank you for sharing the patent info.
Chuck sent me a copy the other day that I was going to post tonight.

Thank you too, to all that contributed to this discussion and for the many positive comments.

Gene